Nimrod Yaffle

Just to let you all know, there's a viewer (which will be unnamed) that has a prim/texture copying command built right in.

To identify the items that have been copied, they have the creator as (unnamed) and the root prim was created in Aug of 07. Also the Emerald Greenlife viewer will tell you who is using it (edit: actually it won't, since I didn't say the name! ), since it displays what viewers people are using.

Reporting people for copying items while using it, there's a few people who hang out in Bug Island that have copied attachments, and I reported 2 with no effects to them.

Edit: Let me rephrase that last part. I have reported people for using it. Specifically, a couple people who hang out on Bug Island. There has been no action taken against them by LL.

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Free Xue

Last I used the Emerald viewer, it only flagged others using the Emerald viewer. I don't recall it doing this for other 3rd party viewers. Is this new?

Nimrod Yaffle

I downloaded it a couple weeks ago and it saw other viewers, but I heard there was recently another release.

eku Zhong

its something made with emerald but it isnt emerald...and not made by them

it doesnt only copy textures, it has these features
the double click copy isnt limited to your own stuff nor to full perm
texture save is right click anything and save..

Client and sim crash
Double click teleport
Double click copy
Hand rainbow particle beam
Area scanner
Animation list scan and copy
Teleport history
Phantom
Teleport to any avatar everywhere

oh and apparently it also has a trojan built in ..

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Nimrod Yaffle

I bolded the ones that the regular emerald viewer has built-in. I don't want it to be a case of "OMG you have rainbow hand particles, you must have the copying client!"

Joshua Nightshade

Those types of clients normally come with viruses.

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Lewis Luminos

Emerald will double-click-teleport too, and it has the animation list but it will only list (and allow you to disable if you want) animations on your self.

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Nimrod Yaffle

Even so, someone could use it with a disposable account. I just wanted to let people know what to look for.

Rema Quandry

Aw come on, people. Proof? And what is the nature of the trojan? And what is the name of the product?

Is this an effort by one viewer producer to undermine another . . . or is what's been reported so far fact?

Without complete information, this "warning" is worthless. The rest of us can't judge what's true and what's false . . . nor can we take steps to avoid downloading and installing the culprit viewer when there are at least 8 different viewers out there that I'm aware of (there are probably more).


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eku Zhong

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Toritoys Tigerpaw

This little ID gimmick is very spoofable, so expect misdirection and drahhhmahhhs in the coming months.

Beezle Warburton

This is the one that gave Emerald a bad name for a bit and had all the viewer developers at each other's throat for a bit. The fake Emerald has several exciting worms built in -- my antivirus wouldn't let me download it.

Only get Emerald from the modular systems site, boys and girls.

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Beezle Warburton

Sorry, not telling you publicly where it is.

It's on an extremely skeezy file-sharing site.

Do NOT download clients via Torrent -- you have no idea what you're really getting.

Only download Emerald from Modular Systems.

Have an anti-virus installed and UP TO DATE.

Nimrod Yaffle

There's always going to be doubters, and most people here know it's possible to still copy items, so it's not hard to back up.

Rema Quandry

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Cristiano

Ok, before this turns into America's Next Top Drama, please keep this discussion civil. Thank you and goodnight.

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Rema Quandry

I don't need to know where. I do need to know what. I don't do Torrents (I don't want others in my machine). I run Emerald . . . and it was obtained from Modular Systems.

However, I am shopping viewers, and it really would be nice to know specifically what I'm being warned to avoid.

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Stephanie Misfit

In a nutshell, avoid any viewer that does not make the source code freely available. The viewer outlined above (and others like it) is closed source. There was some discussion about this viewer on the official forum a couple of months back, and it would appear that it is not freely available for download, you have to purchase it from an individual. The fake copy that someone has been linking to on lots of blogs and forums is just Emerald with bonus trojan.

If you're shopping for a new viewer, there's a list of them here http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Alternate_viewers

Sansarya

Just trust Nimrod when he says "don't do this" because he's always right about new ways people find to scam/game/grief SL.

Remember the Cornfield thing? He was right.

Remember the Copybot thing? He was right.

I'm just going to Trust in Nim

Beezle Warburton

Sent you a link to what (as far as I know from a drama meeting with NPIRL) you're specifically avoiding.

Investigate away. I didn't particularly note *which* of the trojans/worms was in it. If something pops in the antivirus, I just tend to hit the "delete" option. You apparently have far more experience, perhaps you'd like to tell us.

I didn't make the link public -- not out of rudeness, but I don't think it really good form to post links to stuff I *know* is virus ridden to a public forum.

At this point, I give you, I'm not sure what you're after that will convince your 44+ years of experience that we're not making this up.

Nimrod Yaffle

Well since we're on that track, don't believe in the "no entry" feature. At all.

The hippo technologies island was all no create, no entry, and no auto-return, but he had a small 32m plot that had create on, but the surrounding parcel was no-entry. Normally that wouldn't be a problem but with a little know bug (2 different ones, actually), you can move items over onto no-entry parcels. So his whole store/island could be sabotaged! I let him know, but he still hasn't fixed it.

Basically, use auto-return no matter what.

eku Zhong

There are 2 of these viewers, not just the one.
both apparently very similar to Emerald, actually built from the code made available
way back I posted a thread somewhere here about a hacked client..
a friend showed me screenshots he took at a demo of the viewers (which apparently are for sale inworld for those in the know from some avatar or other.. for 250USD)
the screenshot shows the click and get then copy the animations, the get texture and the doubleclick copy thing.


these viewers have been available since around May sometime.

Rema Quandry

My concern here, primarily, was that I had downloaded Meerkat, which is a derivative of Emerald. From the obtuse descriptions initially posted here, Meerkat could have been the culprit . . . although my up-to-date malware tools didn't detect anything amiss.

Clearly Meerkat's not the one you've all been hinting at. . . . and that's good.

But, I also think that if I thought Meerkat might have been the culprit, others might have also have thought so . . . and then Meerkat would take a hit--inadvertently--as far as downloads of their product is concerned--a disservice to them.

That didn't seem fair to me . . . which is another reason I've been pressing hard here.

So now I have a follow-on question: are there any other viewers out there--based on Emerald--that should be clearly identified as NOT being the culprit here?

If so, I think that those should be identified so that those products don't take an uncalled for hit against downloads too.

FWIW, I am running Emerald, which I like a lot. Gemini is my second choice, but I haven't adopted it because the dark windowing is too hard on my old eyes.

Meerkat would be an option if it could do better than--or as well as--Second Inventory at moving items to my OpenSim which I have as an isolated environment on my PC. That has yet to be seen.

Other viewers I've tried are: Kirsten's (although I haven't tried S18 yet), Impudence, and Snowglobe.


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MHilra

just so you all know, this hit leland and i at the vixen hair store..

[8:43] Leland Maggs: [8:40] Heinz Moon

we are wondering if this means that someone copybotted US..

I am trying to remember what skin i had on, and hair, and well ya know..

Crighton Johin

I'm not sure about whether you were copybotted for sure or not, but Cryolife is the viewer that has copybotting capabilities. So, I'm guessing yes.