Heads up: Copybot viewer making its rounds. - SLUniverse Forums
Navigation » SLUniverse Forums > Off Topic Discussion > ZOMGWTFLOLCATS » Heads up: Copybot viewer making its rounds.


ZOMGWTFLOLCATS Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

 
Sponsor:
Gridsurvey.com
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-15-2009, 10:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
Port Obello - The best.
 
Nimrod Yaffle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,643

Awards: 1
Thread Title of the Week 
Exclamation Heads up: Copybot viewer making its rounds.

Just to let you all know, there's a viewer (which will be unnamed) that has a prim/texture copying command built right in.

To identify the items that have been copied, they have the creator as (unnamed) and the root prim was created in Aug of 07. Also the Emerald Greenlife viewer will tell you who is using it (edit: actually it won't, since I didn't say the name! ), since it displays what viewers people are using.

Reporting people for copying items while using it, there's a few people who hang out in Bug Island that have copied attachments, and I reported 2 with no effects to them.

Edit: Let me rephrase that last part. I have reported people for using it. Specifically, a couple people who hang out on Bug Island. There has been no action taken against them by LL.
__________________
Buy my pirate stuff!

Last edited by Nimrod Yaffle; 07-15-2009 at 03:14 PM.
Nimrod Yaffle is offline   Reply With Quote
3 Users Said Thanks :
Old 07-15-2009, 03:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
SUPER BANNED

*SLU Supporter*
 
Free Xue's Avatar
*cat noises*
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 38,743
My Mood:
SL Join Date: May, 2008
Blog Entries: 10

Awards: 2
SLU Creepy Avatar Competition 2014 Participant 
Last I used the Emerald viewer, it only flagged others using the Emerald viewer. I don't recall it doing this for other 3rd party viewers. Is this new?
Free Xue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2009, 03:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
Port Obello - The best.
 
Nimrod Yaffle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,643

Awards: 1
Thread Title of the Week 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Free Xue View Post
Last I used the Emerald viewer, it only flagged others using the Emerald viewer. I don't recall it doing this for other 3rd party viewers. Is this new?
I downloaded it a couple weeks ago and it saw other viewers, but I heard there was recently another release.
Nimrod Yaffle is offline   Reply With Quote
1 User Said Thanks:
Old 07-15-2009, 03:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
ガンバレ日本

*SLU Supporter*
 
eku Zhong's Avatar
rotisserie compulsive
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: 田舎
Posts: 13,258
My Mood:
SL Join Date: 9/29/2007
Business: Culprit
Client: LL beta

Awards: 1
In Queso Emergency 
its something made with emerald but it isnt emerald...and not made by them

it doesnt only copy textures, it has these features
the double click copy isnt limited to your own stuff nor to full perm
texture save is right click anything and save..

Client and sim crash
Double click teleport
Double click copy
Hand rainbow particle beam
Area scanner
Animation list scan and copy
Teleport history
Phantom
Teleport to any avatar everywhere

oh and apparently it also has a trojan built in ..
__________________
Culprit Blog * Culprit Store
eku Zhong is offline   Reply With Quote
1 User Said Thanks:
Old 07-15-2009, 04:55 PM   #5 (permalink)
Port Obello - The best.
 
Nimrod Yaffle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,643

Awards: 1
Thread Title of the Week 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eku Zhong View Post
its something made with emerald but it isnt emerald...and not made by them

it doesnt only copy textures, it has these features
the double click copy isnt limited to your own stuff nor to full perm
texture save is right click anything and save..

Client and sim crash
Double click teleport
Double click copy
Hand rainbow particle beam
Area scanner
Animation list scan and copy
Teleport history
Phantom

Teleport to any avatar everywhere

oh and apparently it also has a trojan built in ..
I bolded the ones that the regular emerald viewer has built-in. I don't want it to be a case of "OMG you have rainbow hand particles, you must have the copying client!"
Nimrod Yaffle is offline   Reply With Quote
1 User Said Thanks:
Old 07-15-2009, 04:56 PM   #6 (permalink)
Lustful Cockmonster

*SLU Supporter*
 
Joshua Nightshade's Avatar
Unedited
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 51,807
My Mood:
SL Join Date: October 2004
Blog Entries: 1
Those types of clients normally come with viruses.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Teeny Leviathan View Post
Those Super Gays are as tough as a T-800 terminator and they are gay.
Joshua Nightshade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2009, 05:00 PM   #7 (permalink)
The Gingerbeard Man

*SLU Supporter*
 
Lewis Luminos's Avatar
Class of '08
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 6,989
My Mood:
SL Join Date: 08/11/2008
Business: Club Noir
Client: Firestorm and v2
Blog Entries: 17

Awards: 1
SLU Creepy Avatar Competition 2014 Participant 
Emerald will double-click-teleport too, and it has the animation list but it will only list (and allow you to disable if you want) animations on your self.
Lewis Luminos is offline   Reply With Quote
1 User Said Thanks:
Old 07-15-2009, 05:05 PM   #8 (permalink)
Port Obello - The best.
 
Nimrod Yaffle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,643

Awards: 1
Thread Title of the Week 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade View Post
Those types of clients normally come with viruses.
Even so, someone could use it with a disposable account. I just wanted to let people know what to look for.
Nimrod Yaffle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2009, 05:44 PM   #9 (permalink)
Wordcrafter
 
Rema Quandry's Avatar
Always Learning
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 1,285
My Mood:
SL Join Date: June 3, 2008
Business: DG Productions
Client: Firestorm
Blog Entries: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by eku Zhong View Post
its something made with emerald but it isnt emerald...and not made by them

. . .

oh and apparently it also has a trojan built in ..
Aw come on, people. Proof? And what is the nature of the trojan? And what is the name of the product?

Is this an effort by one viewer producer to undermine another . . . or is what's been reported so far fact?

Without complete information, this "warning" is worthless. The rest of us can't judge what's true and what's false . . . nor can we take steps to avoid downloading and installing the culprit viewer when there are at least 8 different viewers out there that I'm aware of (there are probably more).


--- Rema
Rema Quandry is offline   Reply With Quote
1 User Groaned:
1 User Agreed:
Old 07-15-2009, 05:50 PM   #10 (permalink)
ガンバレ日本

*SLU Supporter*
 
eku Zhong's Avatar
rotisserie compulsive
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: 田舎
Posts: 13,258
My Mood:
SL Join Date: 9/29/2007
Business: Culprit
Client: LL beta

Awards: 1
In Queso Emergency 
vLife means Trojan Horse Virus | Kabalyero
eku Zhong is offline   Reply With Quote
1 User Laughed:
2 Users Said Thanks :
Old 07-15-2009, 09:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
Senior Member
For your safety, do not climb on the noodle.
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 484
My Mood:
Client: Snotglob 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nimrod Yaffle View Post
JAlso the Emerald Greenlife viewer will tell you who is using it (edit: actually it won't, since I didn't say the name! ), since it displays what viewers people are using.
This little ID gimmick is very spoofable, so expect misdirection and drahhhmahhhs in the coming months.
Toritoys Tigerpaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2009, 10:38 PM   #12 (permalink)
Makes breakfast spooky!
 
Beezle Warburton's Avatar
Spooky talk from toaster, spooky eat-me toast. Yum yum yum human hand.
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 14,201
SL Join Date: October 24, 2006
Client: Frestorm
Blog Entries: 3

Awards: 1
SLU Creepy Avatar Competition 2014 Participant 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade View Post
Those types of clients normally come with viruses.
This is the one that gave Emerald a bad name for a bit and had all the viewer developers at each other's throat for a bit. The fake Emerald has several exciting worms built in -- my antivirus wouldn't let me download it.

Only get Emerald from the modular systems site, boys and girls.
__________________
Sent from my Keyboard using Science.

SL easily allows you to accidentally your entire pants. -- Adeon Writer

Let me avow you one object that you meliorate pound into your skull pearl: Metric Release PILLS ARE Bastard! -- Some Spammer

Beezle is made of brawn, rubies, and Villainy. With a dash of MONSTER TRUCKS.
Beezle Warburton is online now   Reply With Quote
1 User Said Thanks:
1 User Agreed:
Old 07-15-2009, 10:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
Makes breakfast spooky!
 
Beezle Warburton's Avatar
Spooky talk from toaster, spooky eat-me toast. Yum yum yum human hand.
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 14,201
SL Join Date: October 24, 2006
Client: Frestorm
Blog Entries: 3

Awards: 1
SLU Creepy Avatar Competition 2014 Participant 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rema Quandry View Post
Aw come on, people. Proof? And what is the nature of the trojan? And what is the name of the product?

Is this an effort by one viewer producer to undermine another . . . or is what's been reported so far fact?

--- Rema
Sorry, not telling you publicly where it is.

It's on an extremely skeezy file-sharing site.

Do NOT download clients via Torrent -- you have no idea what you're really getting.

Only download Emerald from Modular Systems.

Have an anti-virus installed and UP TO DATE.

Last edited by Beezle Warburton; 07-15-2009 at 10:50 PM.
Beezle Warburton is online now   Reply With Quote
2 Users Agreed:
Old 07-15-2009, 10:44 PM   #14 (permalink)
Port Obello - The best.
 
Nimrod Yaffle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,643

Awards: 1
Thread Title of the Week 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rema Quandry View Post
Aw come on, people. Proof? And what is the nature of the trojan? And what is the name of the product?

Is this an effort by one viewer producer to undermine another . . . or is what's been reported so far fact?

Without complete information, this "warning" is worthless. The rest of us can't judge what's true and what's false . . . nor can we take steps to avoid downloading and installing the culprit viewer when there are at least 8 different viewers out there that I'm aware of (there are probably more).


--- Rema
There's always going to be doubters, and most people here know it's possible to still copy items, so it's not hard to back up.
Nimrod Yaffle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2009, 12:36 AM   #15 (permalink)
Wordcrafter
 
Rema Quandry's Avatar
Always Learning
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 1,285
My Mood:
SL Join Date: June 3, 2008
Business: DG Productions
Client: Firestorm
Blog Entries: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nimrod Yaffle View Post
There's always going to be doubters, and most people here know it's possible to still copy items, so it's not hard to back up.
So what's that got to do with the price of beans in chili?


--- Rema
Rema Quandry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2009, 12:37 AM   #16 (permalink)
Grand Cabal Leader
 
Cristiano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Miami, FL
Posts: 27,446
My Mood:
SL Join Date: Dec 2002
Business: ANOmations
Client: Viewer 2
Blog Entries: 18
Send a message via Yahoo to Cristiano Send a message via Skype™ to Cristiano
Ok, before this turns into America's Next Top Drama, please keep this discussion civil. Thank you and goodnight.
__________________
"Compassion is the radicalism of our time." ~ Tenzin Gyatso



Cristiano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2009, 12:38 AM   #17 (permalink)
Wordcrafter
 
Rema Quandry's Avatar
Always Learning
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 1,285
My Mood:
SL Join Date: June 3, 2008
Business: DG Productions
Client: Firestorm
Blog Entries: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beezle Warburton View Post
Sorry, not telling you publicly where it is.

It's on an extremely skeezy file-sharing site.

Do NOT download clients via Torrent -- you have no idea what you're really getting.

Only download Emerald from Modular Systems.

Have an anti-virus installed and UP TO DATE.
I don't need to know where. I do need to know what. I don't do Torrents (I don't want others in my machine). I run Emerald . . . and it was obtained from Modular Systems.

However, I am shopping viewers, and it really would be nice to know specifically what I'm being warned to avoid.

--- Rema
Rema Quandry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2009, 12:55 AM   #18 (permalink)
Misanthrope
 
Stephanie Misfit's Avatar
Aaaargh!
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 346
My Mood:
SL Join Date: 05/25/06
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rema Quandry View Post
However, I am shopping viewers, and it really would be nice to know specifically what I'm being warned to avoid.

--- Rema
In a nutshell, avoid any viewer that does not make the source code freely available. The viewer outlined above (and others like it) is closed source. There was some discussion about this viewer on the official forum a couple of months back, and it would appear that it is not freely available for download, you have to purchase it from an individual. The fake copy that someone has been linking to on lots of blogs and forums is just Emerald with bonus trojan.

If you're shopping for a new viewer, there's a list of them here http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Alternate_viewers
Stephanie Misfit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2009, 01:01 AM   #19 (permalink)
Annoying Crazy Midbie
 
Sansarya's Avatar
Just Sans
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Rosebud
Posts: 2,530
My Mood:
SL Join Date: April 2005
Client: 3.3.1.something
Blog Entries: 2
Send a message via Yahoo to Sansarya
Just trust Nimrod when he says "don't do this" because he's always right about new ways people find to scam/game/grief SL.

Remember the Cornfield thing? He was right.

Remember the Copybot thing? He was right.

I'm just going to Trust in Nim
Sansarya is offline   Reply With Quote
2 Users Laughed:
3 Users Agreed:
Old 07-16-2009, 01:13 AM   #20 (permalink)
Makes breakfast spooky!
 
Beezle Warburton's Avatar
Spooky talk from toaster, spooky eat-me toast. Yum yum yum human hand.
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 14,201
SL Join Date: October 24, 2006
Client: Frestorm
Blog Entries: 3

Awards: 1
SLU Creepy Avatar Competition 2014 Participant 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rema Quandry View Post
I don't need to know where. I do need to know what.
Sent you a link to what (as far as I know from a drama meeting with NPIRL) you're specifically avoiding.

Investigate away. I didn't particularly note *which* of the trojans/worms was in it. If something pops in the antivirus, I just tend to hit the "delete" option. You apparently have far more experience, perhaps you'd like to tell us.

I didn't make the link public -- not out of rudeness, but I don't think it really good form to post links to stuff I *know* is virus ridden to a public forum.

At this point, I give you, I'm not sure what you're after that will convince your 44+ years of experience that we're not making this up.

Last edited by Beezle Warburton; 07-16-2009 at 01:33 AM.
Beezle Warburton is online now   Reply With Quote
1 User Said Thanks:
Old 07-16-2009, 01:40 AM   #21 (permalink)
Port Obello - The best.
 
Nimrod Yaffle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,643

Awards: 1
Thread Title of the Week 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sansarya View Post
Just trust Nimrod when he says "don't do this" because he's always right about new ways people find to scam/game/grief SL.

Remember the Cornfield thing? He was right.

Remember the Copybot thing? He was right.

I'm just going to Trust in Nim
Well since we're on that track, don't believe in the "no entry" feature. At all.

The hippo technologies island was all no create, no entry, and no auto-return, but he had a small 32m plot that had create on, but the surrounding parcel was no-entry. Normally that wouldn't be a problem but with a little know bug (2 different ones, actually), you can move items over onto no-entry parcels. So his whole store/island could be sabotaged! I let him know, but he still hasn't fixed it.

Basically, use auto-return no matter what.
Nimrod Yaffle is offline   Reply With Quote
2 Users Said Thanks :
Old 07-16-2009, 02:00 AM   #22 (permalink)
ガンバレ日本

*SLU Supporter*
 
eku Zhong's Avatar
rotisserie compulsive
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: 田舎
Posts: 13,258
My Mood:
SL Join Date: 9/29/2007
Business: Culprit
Client: LL beta

Awards: 1
In Queso Emergency 
There are 2 of these viewers, not just the one.
both apparently very similar to Emerald, actually built from the code made available
way back I posted a thread somewhere here about a hacked client..
a friend showed me screenshots he took at a demo of the viewers (which apparently are for sale inworld for those in the know from some avatar or other.. for 250USD)
the screenshot shows the click and get then copy the animations, the get texture and the doubleclick copy thing.


these viewers have been available since around May sometime.
eku Zhong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2009, 02:54 PM   #23 (permalink)
Wordcrafter
 
Rema Quandry's Avatar
Always Learning
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 1,285
My Mood:
SL Join Date: June 3, 2008
Business: DG Productions
Client: Firestorm
Blog Entries: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephanie Misfit;745108. . . There was some discussion about this viewer on the official forum a couple of months back, and it would appear that it is not freely available for download, you have to purchase it from an individual. The fake copy that someone has been linking to on lots of blogs and forums is just Emerald with bonus trojan.

If you're shopping for a new viewer, there's a list of them here [url=http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Alternate_viewers
Downloads - Second Life Wiki[/url]
My concern here, primarily, was that I had downloaded Meerkat, which is a derivative of Emerald. From the obtuse descriptions initially posted here, Meerkat could have been the culprit . . . although my up-to-date malware tools didn't detect anything amiss.

Clearly Meerkat's not the one you've all been hinting at. . . . and that's good.

But, I also think that if I thought Meerkat might have been the culprit, others might have also have thought so . . . and then Meerkat would take a hit--inadvertently--as far as downloads of their product is concerned--a disservice to them.

That didn't seem fair to me . . . which is another reason I've been pressing hard here.

So now I have a follow-on question: are there any other viewers out there--based on Emerald--that should be clearly identified as NOT being the culprit here?

If so, I think that those should be identified so that those products don't take an uncalled for hit against downloads too.

FWIW, I am running Emerald, which I like a lot. Gemini is my second choice, but I haven't adopted it because the dark windowing is too hard on my old eyes.

Meerkat would be an option if it could do better than--or as well as--Second Inventory at moving items to my OpenSim which I have as an isolated environment on my PC. That has yet to be seen.

Other viewers I've tried are: Kirsten's (although I haven't tried S18 yet), Impudence, and Snowglobe.


---- Rema
Rema Quandry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2009, 12:17 PM   #24 (permalink)
SL Paparazzi
 
MHilra's Avatar
~Smile~
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Second LIfe
Posts: 5
My Mood:
SL Join Date: 2006 (as morgie)
Business: So Hawt SL
Client: Firestorm
Send a message via Yahoo to MHilra Send a message via Skype™ to MHilra
just so you all know, this hit leland and i at the vixen hair store..

[8:43] Leland Maggs: [8:40] Heinz Moon

we are wondering if this means that someone copybotted US..

I am trying to remember what skin i had on, and hair, and well ya know..
MHilra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2009, 02:48 PM   #25 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Crighton Johin's Avatar
Pfffffffft
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 143
My Mood:
SL Join Date: 2/26/07
Business: Sim Owner, DJ and Club Owner
I'm not sure about whether you were copybotted for sure or not, but Cryolife is the viewer that has copybotting capabilities. So, I'm guessing yes.
Crighton Johin is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
copybot

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On