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Old 01-13-2009, 11:13 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Could a male possibly meet those requirements?
A biological male that identifies as female and might be taking hormones and/or had facial feminization surgery? I think it's possible.

This case would be a lot more relevant and interesting if they were rejecting a very female looking person who was a biological male.
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A biological male that identifies as female and might be taking hormones and/or had facial feminization surgery? I think it's possible.

This case would be a lot more relevant and interesting if they were rejecting a very female looking person who was a biological male.
But as understand it, they are not. This is, IIUC, a man who wants to be a waiter at Hooter - not be a Hooters Girl.

Moot case. Rejected. He ain't got the goods
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This isn't an issue of transgenderedness as near as I can tell. A transgendered male who identifies as female shouldn't be discriminated.

A random guy who wants to wait tables at Hooters is just starting a fight.
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This isn't an issue of transgenderedness as near as I can tell. A transgendered male who identifies as female shouldn't be discriminated.

A random guy who wants to wait tables at Hooters is just starting a fight.


I dunno .. in those tight shorts a pre-op Transgendered type might have some issues being a hooters girl anyhow.

Maybe if there was a hooter's skirt or something.

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Of course if they got men to wear shorts that tight the customers among straight women and gay men might go up.
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I'm talking about when on-the-job discrimination that is normally prohibited is allowed and why. And I don't get why it takes female attributes to serve a basket of chicken wings.
It doesn't. It takes female attributes to represent the theme and atmosphere of the establishment. Folks aren't there for the food anyway lol.
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I dunno .. in those tight shorts a pre-op Transgendered type might have some issues being a hooters girl anyhow.

Maybe if there was a hooter's skirt or something.

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Of course if they got men to wear shorts that tight the customers among straight women and gay men might go up.
Lets see if this works...

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No argument from me on that, might be an improvement.
I don't understand that at all. Why is not ok to occasionally go ahead and emphasize not only the differences between men and women, but also that we enjoy looking at those differences?

If I go to a bachelorette (sp?) party, assuming it's for one of my straight girlfriends, I'm going to expect to see a male stripper shaking his package in front of me, not a male and a female just to keep things "fair and equal".

I'm not going to pretend to be ashamed of the fact that I might enjoy oggling a guy's nekkid tushie now and again, just because "Oh, it's wrong, he's debasing himself for my enjoyment". Hell yea, debase yourself for me baby, I like it!

And I don't think we should make men feel ashamed that they like to stare at and drool over women now and then too. It's normal, it's natural. If they didn't like it, well, they'd be gay and they'd be down the street at Chipendales instead.

All that said, the day we take equality and fairness to the extreme that all strip clubs, restaurants, gyms, etc. have to either shut down or become unisex only ... well, someone please run me over with a truck or something, kthx. Because dammit I like my women only gym and I like my bachelorette parties with all male entertainment.
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I don't understand that at all. Why is not ok to occasionally go ahead and emphasize not only the differences between men and women, but also that we enjoy looking at those differences?

If I go to a bachelorette (sp?) party, assuming it's for one of my straight girlfriends, I'm going to expect to see a male stripper shaking his package in front of me, not a male and a female just to keep things "fair and equal".

I'm not going to pretend to be ashamed of the fact that I might enjoy oggling a guy's nekkid tushie now and again, just because "Oh, it's wrong, he's debasing himself for my enjoyment". Hell yea, debase yourself for me baby, I like it!

And I don't think we should make men feel ashamed that they like to stare at and drool over women now and then too. It's normal, it's natural. If they didn't like it, well, they'd be gay and they'd be down the street at Chipendales instead.

All that said, the day we take equality and fairness to the extreme that all strip clubs, restaurants, gyms, etc. have to either shut down or become unisex only ... well, someone please run me over with a truck or something, kthx. Because dammit I like my women only gym and I like my bachelorette parties with all male entertainment.
I agree with this.

Those mixed dancer strip clubs in Second Life are lame enough.
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I dunno .. in those tight shorts a pre-op Transgendered type might have some issues being a hooters girl anyhow.

Maybe if there was a hooter's skirt or something.

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Of course if they got men to wear shorts that tight the customers among straight women and gay men might go up.
There are techniques to take care of that problem as well as some specialty lingerie items.

A few years ago, I dressed as Peg Bundy Bundy for Halloween. I wore VERY tight, snug leggings a la Peg. There was no visible indicia of male genitalia down there at all.

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I dunno about American employment law but I gather that as long as Hooters agree to employ men (and presumably, ugly women) in other positions besides waitressing, at equal pay, they're not breaking any laws?
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Asher is right. Its discrimination. Its STUPID -- but its also discrimination.

However I think they could nip this in the bud. Give the guy the job, make him wear the uniform and I mean the skirt, the panty hose, shoes -- everything. Then let him wait tables.

Either Hooters will develop a gay following, he'll be laughed out of the job by hostile customers, or he won't make jack shit in tips and it won't be worth his while. Either way -- Hooters wins and there's no longer any element of discrimination.

This is too easily resolved to be in the court system.
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I dunno about American employment law but I gather that as long as Hooters agree to employ men (and presumably, ugly women) in other positions besides waitressing, at equal pay, they're not breaking any laws?

yeah that's why southwest airlines, who presumably employed baggage guys, check in clerks, pilots and other males in non-stewardess roles, got sued and lost -- cause they hired men in other positions at equal pay.
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No impressive bewbage was on display.
This has been my impression, from the few times I've been there. It's not so much about having large breasts as it is about being young, generically attractive, and looking good in their shorts. I do remember there one time being a waitress with almost comically large implants for her figure (note to very thin women- implants make your breasts look like someone pinned water balloons to your chest). I figure the average young woman with enough cash for breast augmentation probably has better things to do than serve hot wings to lunching married-but-lonely IT workers. The tips are good I'm sure, but you really couldn't pay me enough.
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Asher is right. Its discrimination. Its STUPID -- but its also discrimination.

However I think they could nip this in the bud. Give the guy the job, make him wear the uniform and I mean the skirt, the panty hose, shoes -- everything. Then let him wait tables.

Either Hooters will develop a gay following, he'll be laughed out of the job by hostile customers, or he won't make jack shit in tips and it won't be worth his while. Either way -- Hooters wins and there's no longer any element of discrimination.

This is too easily resolved to be in the court system.
I'm sure he'd just sue that the uniform is discriminatory.
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