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Old 12-19-2008, 06:31 PM   #251 (permalink)
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I'm telling you I didn't used to believe my mother when she would forget her exact age.

Know I know. At a certain point you don't want to remember and it all goes downhill from there.
for me it was after i ran out of fingers and toes to count on.
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Old 12-19-2008, 06:33 PM   #252 (permalink)
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I think it was 35. I said fuck it I'm not counting anymore.
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Old 12-19-2008, 06:34 PM   #253 (permalink)
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I think it was 35. I said fuck it I'm not counting anymore.
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you easily pass for 35 or less
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Old 12-19-2008, 06:38 PM   #254 (permalink)
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you easily pass for 35 or less
Yes I can.

Honestly, my aging comes in spurts. Up until a few years ago, I occasionally still got carded, lol. Now, I've suddenly aged a bit more.
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Now, I've suddenly aged a bit more.
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Old 12-19-2008, 06:44 PM   #256 (permalink)
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Old 12-19-2008, 06:54 PM   #257 (permalink)
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Hey Jenn, just looking for some clarification here: did you think my post was a man-hating rant? Cause if that is the impression you got, wow you're really off base.
No not at all. Sorry if you thought that and apologies.

It was just my experience in places like the old kitty where many would go ..omg a guy (the place was mixed but mainly frequented by women). And from my little experience when i saw in a profile "i date girls only" or something to that effect, i sometimes read it a different way.
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Old 12-19-2008, 07:07 PM   #258 (permalink)
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This is a topic I've given a lot of thought to over the years.

My RL gender is no secret. It's in my profile's 1L tab. (Ask anyone who met me at SLCC.) Experience has taught me that it's better in the long run to practice full disclosure when the situation requires it.

I present cross-gender in SL to satisfy my curiosity and to have fun. At the same time, I try hard not to give in to the usual male-fantasy foolishness that a lot of guys do when using a female avatar. While I try to behave the way I believe an RL woman would, usually I'm just myself. I've learned quite a bit by sticking to that policy.

In my opinion, online interactions among people have a long way to go before we can really learn to divorce what's online from what's physical. I see it as a generational issue. As more people grow up steeped in internet culture, the difficulty of online identity versus physical identity will lessen.

Mind you, I don't go around in-world wearing a prim sign with "GUY" written on it. If J. Random Avatar doesn't read my profile, well... I can only do so much. If I become friends with somebody and the topic of identity comes up, I deal with it then.

If today I entered into an intimate relationship with someone in-world, I would make every effort to be honest with them about my RL self. I feel it's less painful that way. Some people don't want to know that information; I'm OK with that too. I don't know how I'd handle intimacy issues with someone willfully ignorant of my RL self, since I've never been there. My experimental cybering days are behind me anyway, so I (hopefully) don't have to worry about it.

On the flip side, full disclosure shuts some doors, too. The example of the "fauxbian" trolling some womens' hangouts in-world struck a chord with me. While I have enough self-confidence to not identify with that particular stereotype, I also don't want to make others uncomfortable. I realize that some are disturbed simply knowing "OMG, that's really a guy, what's he doing here?" so I err on the side of caution and avoid those areas.

Life is overly complicated sometimes, isn't it?


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Old 12-19-2008, 07:08 PM   #259 (permalink)
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I have stuff to say but all of it borders on TMI to divulge.

If it isn't going RL, does it matter? I mean really? And shouldn't you like someone based on their personality and mind rather than if they are an innie or an outie? And if it does go real life, I mean if you aren't attracted to a guy physically, then you aren't...but most SL relationships don't have to cross over into RL like that.

Obviously it is your choice, but again... isn't it our minds that matter?
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Thought this might help here

There was also a tutorial somewhere in the SLogosphere like a year ago that mentioned all the little details that men playing women usually forget, but I don't remember where that was placed.
Back when I sysop'd on a Compuserve board (one where gender-bending was severely frowned upon), we sysops made up a list of warning signs that indicated guys-pretending. That was in the days of text, but cutesie names like "Bambi" were good enough to get someone flagged.

One of my jobs was to arrange a phone call to voice-verify the suspect. Most of the time it turned out to be a real woman and I actually made friends with a couple of them. The guilty guys would just disappear and we'd lock the door behind them.

I'll never forget one case where I got a PM from a member saying that his private cyber partner was making him suspicious. I asked him why, and he said "She doesn't know what a speculum is."



I PM'd the suspect and they immediately disconnected. I never chose to ask the guy what they were playing. I like to think of that little game as "T.M.I."
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Old 12-19-2008, 07:51 PM   #261 (permalink)
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I've wondered about the age issue. When asked, I'll tell anyone my age. But they rarely reciprocate. If they do, they are often vague ("over 30", "almost 40", "really old, lol"). I don't understand it, I guess because I'm not old. But I don't see a big difference in 35 or 43 or whatever. I'm surprised people who want to know my age won't provide theirs and wonder if they would if my age were closer to theirs.
Age can be a barrier, Arilynn. Doesn't have to be - shouldn't be - but it can be.

One of the wonderful things about SL is that, as we talk, we read each other's words, and don't have to deal with anything but the words. The other stuff - age, RL physical appearance, and so - becomes less important. You get to know the typist - the real person back there.

Mereille wondered if I was a guy when she was still with Bea - and decided, because of what I said - who I was - she didn't care.

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I love you Beathag. But I love the person behind the keyboard even more.
I can't read that thread - because I get right there, and I start to tear up. I am now.

So I don't give out my precise age - although those of you who pay attention might have some pretty good ideas.
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I have stuff to say but all of it borders on TMI to divulge.

If it isn't going RL, does it matter? I mean really? And shouldn't you like someone based on their personality and mind rather than if they are an innie or an outie? And if it does go real life, I mean if you aren't attracted to a guy physically, then you aren't...but most SL relationships don't have to cross over into RL like that.

Obviously it is your choice, but again... isn't it our minds that matter?
When people say things like "isn't it our minds that matter?" it makes me feel shallow. But I'm not shallow; I'm a lesbian. Not bisexual - lesbian.

As I said above, part of the fun for me is imagining that the person on the other end is as excited and happy as I am. And it's just a fact that if I let myself imagine a man in that state ... well, just ew. It's not what I want, and it's not what I'm here for. Game over.

If I'm looking for a friend, yes, it's the mind that matters. But if I'm looking for a lover, the mind alone is not enough. I don't want to do it if I know it's a man at the other end. I just don't.
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So I don't give out my precise age - although those of you who pay attention might have some pretty good ideas.
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And one more thing. I set aside my sexual preference and married for love in RL because the person had a perfect mind for mine.

Guess what? That works so damn well for me that I am here talking about what I look for in a SL lover.
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You know, it's fine to me if it doesn't matter to someone, they are certainly freer in their choices but like Madhu it does matter to me. To me people aren't just cartoons with a mind, I imagine them as real people if I am intimate with them in that way. And if you are really identified with your orientation, and that is a very individual thing, then yeah, it will be important.
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I'm 42...

but sometimes i get confused and think i'm 43
I was saying I was 42 when I was still 41.I just... forgot I hadn't actually had my birthday yet. Now 42 is a good number, I think I'll keep it. :-D

The one time I get uncomfortable about my age is when I'm talking to someone who turns out to be really young (like, around my daughter's age), and I worry they're going to think of me as a creepy old man.
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So....srsly? If I put "I'm bi" in my profile, it might get me hit on? Srsly? I'm gonna do it. Unless this is a hyperbolic joke.

I like to think I can usually spot, after a while, a guy in a female AV. I call it "T-dar." Keep in mind I regard transgendered [MtoF] AVs as female. I know some of you don't, but I do.

There are certain clues, but overall its not a checklist, but a feeling, an intuition. Blonde, Boobzilla Blingtards with slutty clothes are certainly a signal. Behavior is another one. Men TEND to be more direct, but not always. Its hard to define, but men and women communicate differently.

OK...here's a sort of over done example, its not usually this cut and dried, but let's say I walked into a lesbian club where I didn't know anyone.

AV1: Hi
Sooz: Hi there.
AV1: Wanna dance?
Sooz: I'd be delighted

AV2: hello Susanne
Sooz: Hi there AV2
AV2: Is that Armidi hair?
Sooz: Yes it is!!!
AV2: Don't you just love Armidi?
Sooz: GAWD yes!
AV2: Would you care to dance?
Sooz: I'd be delighted

Which one is male? which is female?

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I'm 42...

but sometimes i get confused and think i'm 43

You get old like me Ari, and its not purposefull vagueness.. you just get confused


You know, I now feel Really Really old now that I have found out that I am older then the Devil himself ....

When I'm playing my Vampire I often say i'm 329 ... again.

(I'm 44 in RL)
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Age doesn't matter. Maturity matters.
hrm, not if it has any possibility of moving to RL.

I'm not going to marry a 20 year old no matter how I feel about him, it's not a relationship that has a real future, to me. The gulf is too wide.

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So....srsly? If I put "I'm bi" in my profile, it might get me hit on? Srsly? I'm gonna do it. Unless this is a hyperbolic joke.

I like to think I can usually spot, after a while, a guy in a female AV. I call it "T-dar." Keep in mind I regard transgendered [MtoF] AVs as female. I know some of you don't, but I do.

There are certain clues, but overall its not a checklist, but a feeling, an intuition. Blonde, Boobzilla Blingtards with slutty clothes are certainly a signal. Behavior is another one. Men TEND to be more direct, but not always. Its hard to define, but men and women communicate differently.

OK...here's a sort of over done example, its not usually this cut and dried, but let's say I walked into a lesbian club where I didn't know anyone.

AV1: Hi
Sooz: Hi there.
AV1: Wanna dance?
Sooz: I'd be delighted

AV2: hello Susanne
Sooz: Hi there AV2
AV2: Is that Armidi hair?
Sooz: Yes it is!!!
AV2: Don't you just love Armidi?
Sooz: GAWD yes!
AV2: Would you care to dance?
Sooz: I'd be delighted

Which one is male? which is female?

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...Which one is male? which is female?

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Yes. =^-^=

Heh... Really... Both of those could be me, depending on the mood I'm in. Though, I do have this bad habit of inspecting, so a lot of the time I already know where someone got all their stuff before we start chatting. (T_T)
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So....srsly? If I put "I'm bi" in my profile, it might get me hit on? Srsly? I'm gonna do it. Unless this is a hyperbolic joke.

I like to think I can usually spot, after a while, a guy in a female AV. I call it "T-dar." Keep in mind I regard transgendered [MtoF] AVs as female. I know some of you don't, but I do.

There are certain clues, but overall its not a checklist, but a feeling, an intuition. Blonde, Boobzilla Blingtards with slutty clothes are certainly a signal. Behavior is another one. Men TEND to be more direct, but not always. Its hard to define, but men and women communicate differently.

OK...here's a sort of over done example, its not usually this cut and dried, but let's say I walked into a lesbian club where I didn't know anyone.

AV1: Hi
Sooz: Hi there.
AV1: Wanna dance?
Sooz: I'd be delighted

AV2: hello Susanne
Sooz: Hi there AV2
AV2: Is that Armidi hair?
Sooz: Yes it is!!!
AV2: Don't you just love Armidi?
Sooz: GAWD yes!
AV2: Would you care to dance?
Sooz: I'd be delighted

Which one is male? which is female?

Sooz
Bea would have been like this:

Bea: hello AV3
AV3: Hi there Bea
Bea: You look lovely tonight
AV3: Thank You
Bea: Would you care to dance?
AV3: I'd be delighted

Somewhere between.

Maybe that's why I never set off Sooz' T-dar.
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