Sarah Nerd

You would probably see the downside if you had spent 3 years working your ass off to obtain islands, and in one blog what you worked for was devalued 40%. Yea in the end it will be better for sl as a whole, but I think it could have been a little more gradual so that the people who support sl financially didn't get hit so hard all at once.

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Cristiano

I have to give LL credit - they seem to be attempting to piss off as wide of a group of people as they can with recent announcements. Website owners. Check. Land owners. Check. People with profiles. Check. People in groups. Check. Eveyone who tries to sign into SL. Check.

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PS - what the hell is the $1675 fee for? You don't actually own the server.

prinţesă nină

how annoying.

Dnate Mars

I wonder if the opensim prices are also going to drop.

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Ray Figtree

Nina Stepford is claiming at RA that someone told her Anshe sold a bunch of her Islands a few days ago and to watch for "something big to happen".

SL Forums

If this is true, it sucks more than I can express.

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Khamon

Anshe Who?

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Dnate Mars

I had that same thought. Wasn't it last time that she knew about the price increase before the rest of the us and then went and bought a bunch of islands?

WarKirby Magojiro

This is pretty much exactly how I feel. It sucks to have bought before a price increase., but I don't see that as a problem personally. I think the value of your land should be in it's use.

Maybe I'm missing something here. It seems like land barons make money without creating value, just buying and reselling higher. It seems like a very parasitic business.

I see this as good news, personally. A rare thing nowadays..

now if only they would lower the tier fees.

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Sarah Nerd

ya know, I really hate this shit. What that comes down to is.... "It doesn't effect me so I don't give a shit" I really don't care what you think you know about land dealers, but I know I work well over a 40 hour week usually much more, It's taken me almost 3 years to build up to where I am. Yea land I buy cheaper and sell higher and thats the idea. I also build on lots, try to make the community look nicer, I donate my 16's to arbor project because I can afford to so they don't become ad lots, I use some of what I make to offer things like my freebie paradise. I divide larger lots of land for people who can't afford big chunks and I keep a list of land people want at certain prices and try to find it if I can. I provide a service to others.

I see this type of comment on forums a lot, but thats alright because I know how hard I work, I know how hard I have worked to get what I have. It's like anything else, you get what you work for it's not all that easy and the ones who think it is aren't dealing land very long.

Sarah Nerd

And like I said before I think a decrease is good overall, just not fair to do it all at once and screw over the ones who pay the bills at LL. I don't thing asking for a gradual adjustment is to much.

Dnate Mars

Not all the people that deal in land are the landbots that screw people out of land and money. There is value created. People help keep the market liquid. You need to sell quick, and get a fair price? Well, you know that people like Sarah will take the risk of selling the land for you. You may not get as much, but what is the difference between that and using a real estate agent?

Wildefire Walcott

Don't even start!

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Wildefire Walcott

But Dreamland just added a bunch of sims last week?

ZATZAi

I did a little writeup, mostly boils down to those charts there, which cover 2007 - Today though May 2007 is missing (I've been tracking the demographics and economics for a while).

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Ray Figtree

It's secondhand info and I quoted my source. She lives down under so maybe she got it upside down and backwards.

Cocoanut Koala

No difference whatsoever.

Realtors in SL provide the same services as those irl, and do a lot of people a lot of good.

coco

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Tyche Shepherd

The only significant changes in Sims in the past two days is that 76 of the shiny new CSINY sims brought online 2 weeks ago have all been removed leaving only 8 CSINY Sims on the Grid - There are no renaming of Dreamland Sims which could imply new ownership.

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Briana Dawson

Over the recent past Anshe's sim holdings have overall dropped about 75%, according to my very trusted source.

So it must mean something.

Maybe LL is going to fully open the SL to external trusted grids and start letting people connect to the Main Grid.

Maybe what we see happening with IBM is just a foreshadow of the near future (as in by the end of the year).

They did the same thing with bringing RL businesses into SL with Avalon/Rivers Run Red. They start with 1, something no one expected, and then really quickly it becomes standard operating procedure and their new road map. I am sure many of you have seen them operate this way with other things in the past.

We will see.

Hiro Queso

Well the competition in the estate community business is going to get a lot more fierce.

I really can't see many estate owners being able to charge much of a 'purchase price' now, and this will not only affect estate owners, but also those who have 'purchased' within estates - how is an 'owner' going to be able to recoup their 'purchase price'? Who will 'buy'?

This will change the land owning demographics considerably.

I feel for those who have a large number of estate sims right now - it's a big FU.

And I agree with Sarah: though this is going to be a positive thing for the majority, it's too huge a drop to make so suddenly.

Hiro Queso

When LL annouced in Oct '06 that tier prices would increase from US$195 to US$295, I had 40 sims full of renters. LL didn't announce the offer of grandfathering until several weeks later, but the damage had already been done - I had already notified my residents my intentions to wind up the business, and I had already sold sims at a knock down price. The way LL handled it cost me a fortune. After gaining a little more confidence in LL last year, I decided to buy some more islands on a smaller scale (about 15 sims) to rent out whole. Then we had the disastrous VAT announcement, and again I lost money.

So, I can totally sympathise with those who currently run a large number of estate communities. No one will argue that investing in anything in SL is not a gamble, but it is more of a gamble than it could & should be.

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iliveiSL

hi all, well it seems that estate biz is like anything else. no diff than say web freelance work. there will always be dynamic factors pushing the value around. in web work, it was the advent of lots of off shoring, but there was still the need for creative and very well done work.

the same for LL realty, i mean they could even close! so, imo, you do the best you can, and those with passion and perseverance will thrive. and that is a very personal matter. some people make money in ways that i might find sleazy, some make money by "adding" value to sl. if you have a product that people will buy and you make som,ething on that, well that is capitalism.

sl is just another tool that can be used in capitalism if so desired. good luck to all *oh thank god this forum does spell checking, it makes my IQ appear slightly higher*

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Hiro Queso

I don't disagree with you, but LL has a responsibility to handle things in such a way as to minimise risk/upheaval for those who are willing to invest time and/or money into their world.

I resemble that remark!

caroline ra

I stopped selling land on estates when they dropped the VAT bombshell. Its only sheer bloodymindedness that stopped me from cashing out at the time.
I rent only now and so long as I can cover the $348 per sim fee I wont abandon (and some months it IS a struggle to cover fee when youre competing on an uneven playing field). But I wont invest more money either unless something miraculous happens.

Sarah and Hiro I sympathise completely. Its not necessarily the loss of money invested but the time and effort put in (with some ppl its 16 hrs a day) to create a pleasant environment for ppl, to mediate in residents disputes, to tidy up after griefers, to show ppl how to edit and build things etc. Doing LLs job for them I guess and its the callous lack of consideration for all this goodwill that stings most.

ps: Im wondering about how the lowering of the barrier to becoming an estate owner will affect some of the more unscrupulous dealings in land sales. I see enough threads in RA regarding 'my land got stolen' as it is.