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Sid Nagy · 08-11-2012, 03:00 PM

When I started in 2007 the discussion was exactly the same on the xstreet merchant forums. Merchants talking about flooding the market with freebies and shaming the full perm sellers. They would kill the market.
There are still people making money and there is an excellent freebie market and tons are sold full perms.

Katya Dirval · 08-11-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid Nagy

When I started in 2007 the discussion was exactly the same on the xstreet merchant forums. Merchants talking about flooding the market with freebies and shaming the full perm sellers. They would kill the market.
There are still people making money and there is an excellent freebie market and tons are sold full perms.

True, but if suddenly for example all popular LAQ skins and Truth hair becomes full perm for anyone to pick up for free, im sure alot of hair and skin creators will suffer a huge blow. These things might not entirely kill the market but it would hurt the market alot.

I know there are still people making money creating new content. It's just a bit scary that anyone with high skills could do alot of damage to businesses if they suddenly decide to give it all away. Apart from the market damage it will eventually make alot of talented creators quit who were here for their business. So In my opinion that would be a big loss as well.

Han Held · 08-11-2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Katya Dirval

True, but if suddenly for example all popular LAQ skins

It's much more likely than not that LAQ learned their craft by studying the Eloh Skins -even if not, most of the other skin makers did.

It's called "standing on the shoulders of giants", by giving away her templates, Eloh raised the standard of the art -but she did so in such a way that it benefitted everyone.

And, just for the record, protectionism is bullshit, and it harms more than it helps, and it's a totally fucked-up thing to propose in general.

Sid Nagy · 08-11-2012, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katya Dirval

True, but if suddenly for example all popular LAQ skins and Truth hair becomes full perm for anyone to pick up for free, im sure alot of hair and skin creators will suffer a huge blow. These things might not entirely kill the market but it would hurt the market alot.

I know there are still people making money creating new content. It's just a bit scary that anyone with high skills could do alot of damage to businesses if they suddenly decide to give it all away. Apart from the market damage it will eventually make alot of talented creators quit who were here for their business. So In my opinion that would be a big loss as well.

That happened in the past. I remember slave collars, sex beds and off shore islands, dumped for free and full perms, scripts and animations by (at that time) leading creators.
These items are still sold and made by others and commercially successfully.

Katya Dirval · 08-11-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Han Held

but she did so in such a way that it benefitted everyone.

I know, and that's a good thing, same as blender tutorials and examples. Those things are good because it will encourage people to start exploring their creative sides and make new content for SL.

Han Held · 08-11-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Katya Dirval

I know, and that's a good thing, same as blender tutorials and examples. Those things are good because it will encourage people to start exploring their creative sides and make new content for SL.

At the time, everyone screeched, howled about the death of the skin market and ...turned around, learned and made better products.

If we had protectionist measures set in place, she would not have been able to put her templates out there, and we would still be walking around in 2007-era skins. *shudders*

**Tyche Shepherd** · 08-12-2012, 02:39 PM

A net fall of 81 regions this week with Private Estates down by 86 whilst Linden owned increased by 5 regions

Total number of Main Grid regions is now 29236 ( 22114 private estates & 7122 Linden owned)
53 new regions were added and 15 returned to the grid, with 151 regions removed (22 were renamed and 0 came and went since last report)

The private Esate loss was spread across a range of regions with no particular estate standing out. Linden Lab also brought back the 4 SL Work Hub regions this week

Adult rated regions still grew by 4 to 3600 (12.3% of the grid) whilst General rated fell by 17 to 4338 (14.8%)

Breakdown of current regions by Ownership and Classification:

Estate - Adult: 3248
Estate - General: 2598
Estate - Moderate: 16263
Estate - Offline: 5
Linden - Adult: 352
Linden - General: 1740
Linden - Moderate: 5030

Breakdown of Host Server Classes by Ownership:

Estate - Class 5: 8295
Estate - Class 7: 12345
Estate - Class 8: 428
Estate - Class Unknown: 1046
Linden - Class 5: 4322
Linden - Class 7: 2504
Linden - Class 8: 68
Linden - Class Unknown: 228

The 68 new/returned regions are :

Code:

Aerion
Ames Perdues
Antiquity Yucatan
Avernus Clan
Beauitful
Capital
COLD SHOT
Country Rose
Da JuiceBoXx
Desolate
DIAMOND LEGACY
Enchanted Reef
Enchanted Shores ª
Fablewood Forest
Fjell
GIGANTIC Tokyo
Girls Sweet Paradise
Help Island Staging ª
Jungles of Mist
Koroda Myst
Land To Rent
LookingGlass by AJordan
M in Events
Middle
milky cats island
Modern Commune Living
Mortmagus Store
NeverDeleteMe
NeverDeleteMeEither
Nikita ª
Norsca
Nuri
Oblivion ª
Orientation Island Showcase
Oxygen two
Phoenix Island ª
Picnic Valley
Redwood Forest
Riverglenn
Riverglenn 2
Rugen
Serena Aquarius ª
Series Of Dreams
Skeleton Reef ª
SkyBeam Harmony
SL Work Hub 1 ª
SL Work Hub 2 ª
SL Work Hub 3 ª
SL Work Hub 4 ª
Sulport ª
TAMUK Cyber Learning
Tears of Moon
The FennuX Den
The LookingGlass
Trenza Resort
Tropicana Bay ª
Tyrs Fist Stronghold ª
Under The Boardwalk
Vikhavet
VIRTUAL COOKIE
virtualworldsradio
voodoo666 ª
Waterrow
WideWorld BoraBora
WideWorld Santorini
WideWorld Seychelles
X BrEeDeRs Community
X BrEeDeRs Market

ª indicates region which have returned to the grid

The 151 regions no longer on the grid are :

Code:

A Tropical Paradise
Arcadia University
Bearkat Island
Bearkat Island II
Belial Japan
BERLIN Brandenburger Tor
Bermudos Island
Biancaville
Blonde Paradise
Blue Fusion Estate
Blue Rose
Blue Rose Ranch
Boa Island
Bound Pixie
Brokenbow
Caprices
Caraibes Paradice
Coconuts
conVerge
CravaliciOus
Creative Virtual Worlds
Crimson Nights
cubitus
Dark Awakenings
Delirium
DIAMOND CLASS WEDDINGS
Educacao e Inovacao
Educators Coop 1
Educators Coop 2
Educators Coop 3
Educators Coop 4
Educators Coop 5
Elijah Awesometopia
Enchanted Hills
Everglades Swamp
Experience Italy C
Experience Italy E
Experience Italy N
Experience Italy NW
Experience Italy S
Experience Italy SE
Experience Italy SW
Experience Italy W
Fablewood
Fabulous Island
Fall Island
Family Forever
Fantastic Cove
FantasyWorld
Firesabre
ForbiddenLove
Funky Island
gradus
Habibi
HandG
HASP IPED
Hatters Island
Hazuki
Heartfelt Island
Heenan Island
Humanitas Nova
ingenium
Jade Isles
Japan NGO
Kingsfield
Korean EduIsland
Korean TeenIsland
Kwansei Gakuin University
L europe
Lakeside Beach
Level Twenty Five
LM Maldives
Madison Avenue
Mamba
Margherita
Maxis iLearn
Menegroth
Miura
MK Tokyo
Monkey Cove
Monkey Paw
Montego Beach North
Montescaland
Moonlight Wood
MSE Trinity Falls
MUSE PREFABS
mysterious meeroos dale
NJIT
NoGaKu
NORWAYZ
Obscure Brilliance
Ocean Realms England
Ocean Realms Scotland
Ocean Realms Yucatan
Outer Space
Pacha
Papanui
Patanga
Pen Station
PF Leech
Private Simmering Land
Ragazzi del Sole
Ramrod Keys
Rosario B1
Rosario B2
Rosario C1
Rosario C2
Seashore Oasis
Sensual Stoneworks
Serenidade
Seychelles
Shags Oasis South
Sharkclub 2
Shippe1
Shys
Sionnach Inismor
Sionnach Meadows
Sionnach Ridge
Slobey
SmarterEarth
Souls
Southerndown
Star Gate
Sultan
Summer Sands
Suna
TechRock Island
The Beach World
The Green Bank
The Lagoon
THE SFL
Think Tank
Tir na Sul
TK Genesys East
TK Genesys West
TmmR Ocean Bay
Tokyo City
Tranquil Moon Isle
Tulane Island
University of Sunderland
Unland
Villa Orgia Legacy
vircol 2
Virtual Community
Virtual School
Virtualworldwidemedia
VIVID ANIMATIONS
Winterfell Borealis
XCS
Xntra City
Zombie island

Of these 22 are renames :

Code:

Belial Japan	==>	Desolate
Bound Pixie	==>	Jungles of Mist
Brokenbow	==>	Mortmagus Store
Creative Virtual Worlds	==>	LookingGlass by AJordan
DIAMOND CLASS WEDDINGS	==>	COLD SHOT
Enchanted Hills	==>	Modern Commune Living
Family Forever	==>	Ile Serenite
ForbiddenLove	==>	Tears of Moon
Habibi	==>	Nuri
L europe	==>	Sulport
Monkey Cove	==>	Enchanted Reef
Monkey Paw	==>	Enchanted Shores
MSE Trinity Falls	==>	Da JuiceBoXx
NORWAYZ	==>	Avernus Clan
Patanga	==>	Redwood Forest
Seashore Oasis	==>	Land To Rent
The Lagoon	==>	Tyrs Fist Stronghold
TK Genesys West	==>	X BrEeDeRs Community
Villa Orgia Legacy	==>	The FennuX Den
Virtualworldwidemedia	==>	The LookingGlass
VIVID ANIMATIONS	==>	VIRTUAL COOKIE
Zombie island	==>	Oxygen two

Estate groupings going off line

1 (n=2): Bearkat Island,Bearkat Island II
2 (n=2): Creative Virtual Worlds,Virtualworldwidemedia
3 (n=2): cubitus,gradus
4 (n=5): Educators Coop 1,Educators Coop 2,Educators Coop 3,Educators Coop 4,Educators Coop 5
5 (n=8): Experience Italy C,Experience Italy E,Experience Italy N,Experience Italy NW,Experience Italy S,Experience Italy SE,Experience Italy SW,Experience Italy W
6 (n=2): Heenan Island,Virtual School
7 (n=2): Monkey Cove,Monkey Paw
8 (n=2): Ocean Realms England,Ocean Realms Scotland
9 (n=4): Rosario B1,Rosario B2,Rosario C1,Rosario C2
10 (n=2): XCS,Xntra City

Estate groupings coming online

1 (n=2): Enchanted Reef,Enchanted Shores
2 (n=2): LookingGlass by AJordan,The LookingGlass
3 (n=2): NeverDeleteMe,NeverDeleteMeEither
4 (n=2): Oxygen two,Waterrow
5 (n=2): WideWorld BoraBora,WideWorld Seychelles
6 (n=2): X BrEeDeRs Community,X BrEeDeRs Market

The following 5 regions were on the grid but marked as down when the last survey was run:

Altin Isle
Boro Grove
Ein II
GOL 4
Leagues

Hoax · 08-13-2012, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Han Held

If we had protectionist measures set in place, she would not have been able to put her templates out there, and we would still be walking around in 2007-era skins. *shudders*

We got forums, websites with examples and downloads (even from wiki you can download templates) and youtube and also lots of different groups in SL focused on sharing ideas. You don't need a shop to share creative ideas and download links to photoshop templates. There's alot of great multi talented graphic artists on SL as well, I think it's a bit of an insult to say that none of the people around would be skilled enough to create a decent skin today. And if it wasnt a great designer releasing templates to the public there's still copy bot that did a great job at exporting raw material for examination and reproduction. Besides that, the way skins are made for SL is nothing unique. Creating skins could also be learned by watching people's work on other game platforms. Neverthless, kudos for anyone trying to inspire others by sharing their work

**Joshua Nightshade** · 08-13-2012, 02:17 AM

Do you sit around waiting for Han to post so you can disagree with whatever it is she said?

Han Held · 08-13-2012, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoax

We got forums and youtube and also lots of different groups in SL focused on sharing ideas. You don't need a shop to share creative ideas and download links to photoshop templates. There's alot of great multi talented graphic artists on SL as well, I think it's a bit of an insult to say that none of the people around would be skilled enough to create a decent skin today. And if it wasnt a great designer releasing templates to the public there's still copy bot that did a great job at exporting raw material for examination and reproduction. Besides that, the way skins are made for SL is nothing unique. Creating skins could also be learned by watching people's work on other game platforms. Neverthless, kudos for anyone trying to inspire others by sharing their work

That's a WHOLE LOT of missing the point that you somehow managed to fit into one post --good on ya, kiddo!

**Joshua Nightshade** · 08-13-2012, 02:26 AM

Also, a huge lol to suggesting people copybot products if they want to de-construct it to make their own.

Hoax · 08-13-2012, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Also, a huge lol to suggesting people copybot products if they want to de-construct it to make their own.

Im not suggesting. It's exactly what happened back in the days with the popular Steve skin and redgrave skins

**Joshua Nightshade** · 08-13-2012, 02:39 AM

Han Held · 08-13-2012, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoax

Im not suggesting. It's exactly what happened back in the days with the popular Steve skin and redgrave skins

Why is it you hate open source so much that you'd present theft as a viable alternative to it?

Is it because you don't understand that copybotting is theft -or that you don't understand that open source is not?

Han Held · 08-13-2012, 02:45 AM

or are you simply being a trolling, contrarian asshole (as usual)?

Hoax · 08-13-2012, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Han Held

Why is it you hate open source so much that you'd present theft as a viable alternative to it?

Is it because you don't understand that copybotting is theft -or that you don't understand that open source is not?

You don't get my point. I never said anywhere that I hate open source material. I tried to explain that even if it would be illegal in SL to share your work that there's plenty of other resources available on the internet where those templates could have been legally downloaded and discussed. So I think the chances of everyone running around in noobie skins today if SL didnt allow us to share inside SL would be 0%. And copy botting is wrong but im sure that back in the days when it was a hype that alot of people learned from copying stuff to examine and mess around with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Han Held

or are you simply being a trolling, contrarian asshole (as usual)?

Could think the same thing about you

Han Held · 08-13-2012, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoax

Could think the same thing about you

..only if I was following you around like a lost puppy and posting nonsense for the sake of getting attention.

Since I'm not, your point kinda-sorta falls apart there, doesn't it?

Hoax · 08-13-2012, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Han Held

..only if I was following you around like a lost puppy and posting nonsense for the sake of getting attention.

Since I'm not, your point kinda-sorta falls apart there, doesn't it?

Wait, we dont know that for sure yet. Let's wait for one of your troll buddies to agree with your post first (and some random noobies maybe).
I dont follow you around stop being paranoid. I read the forums like anyone else, it's just that your nonsense always catches everyone's attention. Not sure if you're doing that on purpose or not

**Tyche Shepherd** · 08-13-2012, 04:57 AM

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Lizard Howl · 08-13-2012, 06:21 PM

yeah. I dont know what that was all about, but I was entertained. thanks Han & Hoax

Hoax · 08-13-2012, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lizard Howl

Han & Hoax

We would make a great duo

Nan · 08-13-2012, 11:10 PM

Gentle request--can we keep this Forum for the new sims info ? At 75 pages maybe not the best place to put general discussions. Many thanks !

Hoax · 08-14-2012, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Nan

Gentle request--can we keep this Forum for the new sims info ?

Han & Nan .. Now that would make a great duo!

Gentle request--pick a better moment to make a gentle request next time?

But you're right... Let's go back ontopic if the others allow us and stop trolling too

Mrs Chung · 08-16-2012, 03:19 PM

Given the progress, or is that decay, of the number of estate sims this month, will we go below the 22,000 barrier by the end of August?

The large landowners seem to be holding their own, but the smaller ones seem to be bailing out nowadays.

Concurrency continues to trend downwards. I wonder if Mr. Humble knows how to play the fiddle.

Zeebster Colasanti · 08-16-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs Chung

The large landowners seem to be holding their own, but the smaller ones seem to be bailing out nowadays.

Music to my ears. I thought you had it all figured out? Your statement that "large landowners seem to be holding their own" is quite accurate in that not all is hunky dory for us either. We are holding our own by absorbing large vacancies that easily match the size of average Atlas estates. That is a heavy cloud still weighing over the SL grid and it will keep the prices depressed for some time still, until more estates fall off the grid.

My estimate, before things turn around and the market can again support healthy in-world prices, is that another 600 sims need to come off the grid.

~Zeebster

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Mrs Chung Hahaha Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: LaChine Posts: 165 My Mood: SL Join Date: forgot Business: monkey Client: dunno but it keeps crashing all the time	Given the progress, or is that decay, of the number of estate sims this month, will we go below the 22,000 barrier by the end of August? The large landowners seem to be holding their own, but the smaller ones seem to be bailing out nowadays. Concurrency continues to trend downwards. I wonder if Mr. Humble knows how to play the fiddle. __________________ I am no relation to, or, in any way connected to, 'them.'

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08-11-2012, 03:00 PM	#1851 (permalink)
Sid Nagy Just another Muppet. *SLU Supporter* Well,well. Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,946	When I started in 2007 the discussion was exactly the same on the xstreet merchant forums. Merchants talking about flooding the market with freebies and shaming the full perm sellers. They would kill the market. There are still people making money and there is an excellent freebie market and tons are sold full perms.

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