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06-18-2012, 01:13 PM
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| I like Mainland    
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Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mainland
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My Mood:  SL Join Date: March 4, 2007 Client: Firestorm  | The survey is interesting in what it doesn't pick up. Avilion and Avilion Forest were both sold, and renamed, Avilion Hinterlands was moved into the location of Avilion and renamed Avilion Heart. I happen to know this since I am involved in Avilion and everyone in the group was told what was happening in advance.
__________________ Baroness Menchor, the Deadly, of the Great Army of the Invincible Infidel, Whose Great Swarms of Evil and Horror Laid Waste to the Souls of a Million True Believers and Left Their Souls Rotting in the Summer Sun for the Buzzards to to Ravish as Their Souls Sunk to the Depths of Torment and Hopelessness, Abandoned by Their Gods. Youth and strength can almost always be overcome by old age and treachery |
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06-18-2012, 02:28 PM
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| Fortuna vitrea est        *SLU Supporter*    
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__________________  Vanguard of the LolCatz Revolution This Post was financed by The National LolCatz Archives Clancy Sullivan :Yeah. YEAH! The sultry seamstress of mirth is definitely in charge now. Certified 7.8 on the Official Non-Arbitrary Trout Algorithmic Slut scale A public copy of my Second Life Main Grid Survey Database can be found at http://www.gridsurvey.com - Now with added Second Life Incidents !! | |
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06-19-2012, 03:15 PM
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| I like Mainland
Mostly Harmless
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06-24-2012, 12:18 PM
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| Fortuna vitrea est *SLU Supporter*
Cherry red lips and sick on
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| This week the grid saw a net increase of 30 regions , all the growth was in Private Regions Total number of Main Grid regions is now 29981 ( 22864 private estates & 7117 Linden owned) 125 new regions were added and 28 returned to the grid, with 128 regions removed (23 were renamed and 5 came and went since last report) This week Spirit Estate Lands increased by at least 14 regions whilst Jessica Chung and Azure Island both added 10 regions, other ACS increases amounted to 12 regions. There were no major losses seen amongst private estates Adult rated regions grew yet again , this week by 9 regions to a total of 3523 (11.8% of the grid). General rated also increased by 3 to 4447 (14.8%). Breakdown of current regions by Ownership and Classification:
Breakdown of Host Server Classes by Ownership:
The 153 new/returned regions are : Code: 5150 Accidentally Inlove Agapeo Temple Android Six Ard na Greine Argentum Wilds ª ART MusikCircus Australis Azure Cove ª Barbiegirls Estates Belle Dazzles Beloved Auma Bitter Sweet Symphony Black Hills ª Bluefire Breakfree Broward County FL Buffalo Estate Burberry ª Carnal Souls Catnap Island Checkmate ª Chernobyl ª Cherry Pie Cipanas Clarence Valley ª Cloud Nine ª Copacabana Island ª Corcovado Dark Dreamer Delight ª Denkinwood Destinys Gate Dion Dodo Dragon Spirit ª Dragon Spyre Dragons Abyss Dragons End Dragons Harbor Dragons Meadow Dragons Scale Dragons Tooth Dream Realm Elianto Eridanus FELGO World Fermoso Dia Fiji Isle ª Forza Freya ª Fruitcake Gotcha Guardian ad Litem1 Guardian ad Litem2 HAMC BlackDeath Harmony Boulevard Harmony City Harmony Drive Harmony Estates Hazey Sunshine Hilltop ª Hyacinth iLeBare Ilha Royal Beach Inception ª Ipanema Beach JD ESTATES JOKER GAMES 3 Kirchberg Land Of Sin ª Lasombre Island Lavonia Legends Leimoni ª Lemondrops Forest ª Leo Island Liberty Bay ª Libria Vampire Nation Little Rascals Love Paradise Dream Love Sensation Lovespell Madagascar ª Magical Moon Metroville Miami Dade FL Middle Earth ª Mint Tulip Muleberry Acres Mystic Gem Mystic Knights Mystical Island ª Napoli ª NdsuCu Nichido Oatmeal Cookie Omega City RP Optimus Ourhaven Paw Prints ª Pixieland Polar Eclipse Polka Dots Port of Etenia Portugal Games 3 Primal Instincts PURPLE ISLAND Ramiel Realm of Redemption Retrospect RFL 50s Weekend ª Romantica DREAM Salish Bay Sensualkaty1 Serenity Realms Serrao Dream SLSFC5 NORTH SLSFC5 NORTHEAST SLSFC5 NORTHWEST SLSFC5 SOUTH SLSFC5 SOUTHEAST SLSFC5 SOUTHWEST SmoothTrouble Spirit Estates Sunnydale FL Sunset Ambiance Island Swagger Swan Lake Sweet Notes Talbot Isle Estates Test Land Vix testingclone Tgurls Island The Domaine ThorStone Village Tiger Bay ª TKA Emerald County Torvas Miir Tropic Thunder Twilight Fantasy Versailles Virginis Vix Isle Walnut Grove ª Wazza Whipped Cream Wilderness Trail Willow Creek Willow Lake Estate ª Woodbine Downs East Woodridge Wyoming Wild Territory The 128 regions no longer on the grid are : Code: 2012 olympics 2GR Alpha City Alpha Bravo Ansett Sands Avatarlia Awesomeville Barataria Battle of Life Beverly Hills Estates Blanxi Island Blue Tides Bonaire dal Mare BSG 7 Caraibes Rose Cats Cradle Chain of Love Chared More Island Constant Perfection Cousins Cryptic Crystal Sunset Dagger Cove Dangerous Darc Souls Davison DeMonaco island Denmark Nature Deviant Dogg Pound Don DOR3 Dove Effington Hills EllieMaes Cement Pond Entre Nous Evangelista Faithful Land Festivale Fields of Cardonicus First Cousins Fowler GARDEN WORLD Genesis County Ghra mo chroi Grantham Guardian ad LitemI ª Guardian ad LitemII ª Ilha Brasil SP India Gardens Isle of Hispaniola JAGUAR iSLAND JSG Park Place Kawaii Ville KJS Ravens HQ ksa kalidAlzael wd Kush City La Islita Bonita La Luma Le Canaillou 2 Lifes a Beach Locusolus Lomas Country II LOveLA Style Madrid City Make Mare Amicitia Moia Mystic Cove Lagoon Nayuta New York Meeroos Norkan NOSTALGIA Nutellicious NxCS Obsidian Bay Obsidian Sea Ocean Realms Amsterdam Opium Dreams OPUS DEI Pixie Land ª Port Royale prodigiosus II Progeny Tranquility Racing Technologies Raven Hollow Ravens Cove South Restless Dreams San Miguel Sea Rest Sensual Sanctum Serena Aquarius SFL Stadium ShadowPointe Shakedown SkyBeam Hope SL Mall SOCOM SOCOM 2 SOCOM 3 Soul Siren Southern Highlands Star Bright Star Sunshine Island Steeltopia Steeltopia Seacliff Studio 61 Sublime Sugarbelle TELRport The Cross Rhode The Forgotten Shore The New Underworld TI AMO BEACH TK Genesys SW Transgressions Tree hill Harbor Ubique Velassaru Ven Badlands Venom Vix's Isle ª Vixiana Vixxy Land ª Vought Heights Wando White Rock Beach Wildthorne Homestead XD Reef Of these 23 are renames : Code: Constant Perfection ==> Destinys Gate Guardian ad LitemI ==> Guardian ad Litem1 Guardian ad LitemII ==> Guardian ad Litem2 Ilha Brasil SP ==> Ilha Royal Beach Kawaii Ville ==> PURPLE ISLAND Norkan ==> Romantica DREAM Restless Dreams ==> ART MusikCircus SkyBeam Hope ==> Lemondrops Forest SL Mall ==> Muleberry Acres SOCOM ==> Sunnydale FL SOCOM 2 ==> Miami Dade FL SOCOM 3 ==> Broward County FL Soul Siren ==> TKA Emerald County Southern Highlands ==> iLeBare Studio 61 ==> Catnap Island Sublime ==> The Domaine The Forgotten Shore ==> Willow Lake Estate The New Underworld ==> Realm of Redemption Ven Badlands ==> Port of Etenia Vix's Isle ==> Vix Isle Vixxy Land ==> Vix Isle White Rock Beach ==> FELGO World XD Reef ==> Leo Island
Estate groupings coming online
The following 16 regions were on the grid but marked as down when the last survey was run:
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06-24-2012, 06:26 PM
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| Hahaha  Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: LaChine
Posts: 165
My Mood:  SL Join Date: forgot
Business: monkey Client: dunno but it keeps crashing all the time | Next week, at the end of the month, if the pattern holds, we will see major estate land owners canceling more sims, and then within a week, the exact same large land owners will start to add more sims again. This pattern started shortly after last October when Linden Lab allowed anyone to buy an estate sim without any set-up charge for a couple of days, which enraged many large land owners. I have a theory as to why since last October, large estate land owners are dropping sims at month's end, and then picking up more a few days later. But I won't say anything more until we see this pattern happen once again. Stay tuned. 
__________________ I am no relation to, or, in any way connected to, 'them.'  Last edited by Mrs Chung; 06-25-2012 at 08:21 AM. |
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06-24-2012, 10:21 PM
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| Cool Second Life Reporter 
HOLY MOLY!
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Business: The Bot Zone Client: Snowstorm Blog Entries: 51 | Quote:
Perhaps a hint or preview is in order.
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06-25-2012, 08:07 AM
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| Elysium Hynes is Typing.. *SLU Supporter* 
My animal spirit is the lolcat
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06-25-2012, 09:31 AM
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| Aspiring Harpist *SLU Supporter* 
Thumbs Up Sweetie
Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alabama
Posts: 9,203
My Mood:  SL Join Date: November, 2003 Blog Entries: 1 | My theory is posted earlier in this thread. The only question for me is whether these operations are supported by GLibden Lab or not. That's always been a popular view of Anshe's operation. I've just thought they managed to well game LL's lack of professionalism and oversight.
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06-28-2012, 02:41 AM
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| Member 
This is my girlfriend :P
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 44
My Mood:  | Very simple explanation. LL is lowering the tier of it's brand new not grandfathered full sims....only for large Land Barons obviously, otherwise who is able to buy 40/50 sims at a time. There is an example....Dream Seeker: after a strong push of 40 sims up and running, last week they were selling them at 16000 linden/week, a week after at 17000, likely thanks to the success. I don't know what is the the real tier of these new sims but IMO it is between 195 and 299 dollars, this allow a STRONG earning even at 16000/17000 price point. There are little Estates of one or two sims (owned by large Land Barons with a sales agent like interface to hide the real owner) that are selling land at 1.15/1.2 linden/prim, this is a sign of a new business model that will be very common in future.....people has less money so the tier needs to go DOWN, instead of SL will slowly disappear. All in all, if this trend continue, LL is clearly lowering the tier thanks to the much cheaper hardware they are utilizing to run the simulator. Too bad i can't buy at these prices directly from Linden Lab......at least for now, but in a year......  |
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06-28-2012, 04:58 AM
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| Senior Member 
done now
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,381
SL Join Date: September 2006 | My theory is they pay no setup fee and they don't pay tier until the first of the month, and they don't have to pay tier on the past partial month. Whether the latter is a deal they get or a bug they're exploiting is unknown to me. I suspect that the free setup is a long-standing deal they've been getting, and the free partial month of tier is a new deal to soften the blow of the October sale. So, like the grandfathered sims that continued to transfer for years, mollifying estate owners will continue to cost LL money for a long time. Last edited by Anya Ristow; 06-28-2012 at 05:10 AM. |
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06-28-2012, 05:21 AM
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| Senior Member
done now
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,381
SL Join Date: September 2006 | Another theory is that for a while now they've been allowed to carry a stock of free empty sims to launch as they are needed, to save LL the trouble of setting them up individually on demand, but that now the process is automated so they can no longer carry empty sims for free. Under this theory I still think they get the first partial month tier for free, as well as the setup. |
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06-28-2012, 05:26 AM
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| Senior Member
done now
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,381
SL Join Date: September 2006 | Another theory that I've expressed before is that half the grid isn't being paid for at all, and that the last doubling of server capacity was squandered to recoup the cost of doing this, to continue the apparent growth SL well beyond its actual decline. Under this theory, all the recent declines are in the resident-paid use of the grid, so the decline is actually twice as bad as it appears. That is, the grid will be 100% un-funded when it reaches half size, not when it reaches zero. ETA: Actually I don't think these declines in resident-paid use of land are recent. I think they've been ongoing since 2008, but have been masked by the growth of unpaid usage of land. I believe unpaid usage continued to grow into 2010. Last edited by Anya Ristow; 06-28-2012 at 05:42 AM. |
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06-28-2012, 12:32 PM
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| Hahaha Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: LaChine
Posts: 165
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Business: monkey Client: dunno but it keeps crashing all the time | Quote:
LL benefits from this by giving the impression that the grid is holding steady. Subsidizing the barons has its advantages, but not in the LL pocket book. | |
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06-28-2012, 12:37 PM
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| Hahaha Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: LaChine
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06-28-2012, 11:55 PM
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| Member Join Date: Jul 2010
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BTW, last week's report had a major error in it. We have obtained a list from Tyche of the 30 sims we supposedly added that week. Of the 30, one was a rename of a previously held sim, two were new additions, a handful wasn't owned by us at all, and the rest were added the week before and so were double-counted. Although I don't particularly feel like sharing our trade secrets with everyone, I think it would be just common sense for people to realize that a large estate can do a LOT of moves and renames inside of a single month in order to restructure their operations. And yes, we do pay for those moves and renames and they come at an incredibly high cost to us. And yes, we do pay tier, LOL. But I think that if we rename and move 100 sims in a month, that sure would send Tyche's bots out for a loop. Why do we rent sims at 17000 / wk? (the 16000 someone mentioned was only an incentive for first 4 weeks of tier). Simple: we've made a significant investment into these regions and we'd rather rent them slightly below cost now so that we can keep them and once the current renters leave and market rates return back to normal, rent them out at a higher rate. Again, I would think that is common sense. Hopefully this weekend the monthly report sets the record straight. The reality of the situation is that during this month, Dream Seeker Estates had lost a couple dozen sims. So stay tuned, sports fans  ~Zeebster | |
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06-29-2012, 01:30 AM
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This is my girlfriend :P
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 .Anyway your Company can compensate with a large number of grandfathered sims payed only around 11000 L$/week to Linden Lab and sold at 20000/21000 L$/week to the poor customer. | |
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06-29-2012, 05:29 AM
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| ガンバレ日本 *SLU Supporter*  
rotisserie compulsive
Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 田舎
Posts: 11,156
My Mood: SL Join Date: 9/29/2007
Business: Culprit Client: LL beta | i heard that land barons could get sims at xdiscount tier as long as they signed to buy x new sims every x amount of time this probably accounts for the dumping and rebuying. |
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06-29-2012, 08:46 AM
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| Hahaha Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: LaChine
Posts: 165
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Business: monkey Client: dunno but it keeps crashing all the time | Quote:
But I did see a huge number of your full prim estate sims being put onto the market for lease this month. It was very notable. These are not ones you had for a while and wanted to keep. They were new. So you claim you incur great expense to acquire all these new sims, and then you lease them out at a loss? That is your business for sure, and I apologize for daring to question such a sophisticated business plan. | |
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06-29-2012, 08:48 AM
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| Hahaha Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: LaChine
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06-29-2012, 09:02 AM
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| ガンバレ日本 *SLU Supporter*
rotisserie compulsive
Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 田舎
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Business: Culprit Client: LL beta | Quote:
the loophole is probably the dumping.. well thats my opinion. if they had to continue buying x amount of sims per x amount of time to keep the special tier rate, then they would, ultimately lose in the end .. having more and more empty sims and they would run at a loss. but assume too that theres a y number of empty sims they can carry and still turn a profit... then each time they first abandon all empty sims and then repurchase (assuming theres no setup fee) they stay within the profit making margin .. as well as uphold the requirement of x new sims per x time period. | |
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06-29-2012, 11:09 AM
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| Hahaha Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: LaChine
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06-29-2012, 12:23 PM
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| Hahaha Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: LaChine
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Business: monkey Client: dunno but it keeps crashing all the time | The pattern maintains. Just one day before month's end, a huge wack of estate sims for lease, are no longer for lease. Sunday's stats from Tyche should prove most interesting, indeed. |
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06-29-2012, 02:18 PM
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| Luckiest Man in the World  Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bellingham, Washington, USA
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SL Join Date: Oct 1 2006
Business: Segarra Estates Client: Phoenix, Dolphin, Viewer 3  | Quote:
You are *intentionally* making a significant investment in your sims, and selling them *below cost* so you can keep them on the grid, until *your current renters leave* and market rates return back to normal?  Don't you *want* to keep your current renters? And what is this "normal" that you speak of? Sorry Zeebster, I can't wrap my brain around the business model you propose. Unless you are making a bald-faced attempt at cornering the market until you have driven everyone else out of business. At which point in time you could charge whatever you want for your sims because you would be one of the only Estates remaining. I think a more reasonable business model is the following:
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06-29-2012, 02:31 PM
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| Hahaha Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: LaChine
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06-30-2012, 12:40 AM
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| Solace Beach Owner *SLU Supporter* Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: California
Posts: 1,112
Business: Solace Beach Estates
Client: Singularity | LL needs to put price controls in place to prevent advertising of land for below cost. No one paying normal tier rates can possibly compete. And I'd never rent land at a loss, that's a STUPID business practice when you can sell unwanted sims to other residents. I have some grandfathered full sims. I charge the same on them as any other sim. Were it not for that extra income I'd be out of business; the land market is a disaster right now. We need stability and allowing people to shuffle sims on and offline constantly, especially at grandfathered rates, is terrible for everyone other than those companies.
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