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11-07-2011, 01:46 AM
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| CEO Luxory Estates   | Quote:
You need help terraforming a sim or someone who explains to you how things work ? Try to call a Linden for that. I wish you luck. A griefer is attacking your club ? Go call the so called Abuse Team for help. Again - good luck! You would like to pay your tier weekly instead of monthly ? Go right ahead, I am sure Linden Lab will set it up for you that way. And you bought a full prim sim , paid 1000 US$ setup fee but you don't want it after some weeks ? No problem ... ask the Lab for a refund because if you would have rented one from an estate you would never have paid any setup fee in the first place. I am sure they will refund you in a yiffy ... As you said ... think it through ALL the way ...
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11-07-2011, 02:42 AM
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| syncing with reality    
Mixing metaphors, splitting
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Business: Satiated Desires Blog Entries: 1    |  A couple of things: LL does make more profit from landiwners. Simply because the majority of customer service issues are handled by the estate owners. The 100usd differential cannot be supported by the extra software features cost. I'm not too sure we've seen the last of the sim dumping yet. I suspect that a lot of the ones dumped were already empty and owners sensibly realised that there was little chance of renting them out. I'd expect to see more over the next 3+ weeks. I think that this was another marketing test and probably won't be repeated until next year (if at all) LL does have a habit of ltesting an idea once and never repeating it. Whilst I do feel a pang for landlords, unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your viewpoint) LL care as little for them as they do for the rest of us. At least landlords still have europeans and people who want less land than a sim to fall back on. The other segments here haven't been quite so lucky. And a final thought. A fair few of those people who bought were possibly like me, they wouldn't ever pay a landlord as they'd rather be screwed over directly by ll. Had they not fucked me around so badly with destroying those sculpts, the megaprim removal, crap letigre relrases in general and the suboptimal marketplace deployment down the last year and the os upgrade and megaprim fuckup in the weeks leading up to the offer i would now be spending another 500+pm with them. I've resisted the secondhand market simply because you're at the mercy of ll getting around to doing the transfer and tbh, i don't think land is worth any upfront fee, it's not even worth basic tier to me*. So i don't have a problem with ll going after people like me and had they had even an ounce of business nous they would have done the offer in a more sophisticated way that didn't destroy the goodwill of their larger landlords but then, those that were burnt by the 40% setup cost drop a few years back were probably waiting for this day to come. Hey ho *edit. It's only a stubborn refusal bordering on madness that makes me ignore the fact that a shop expansion of that size won't generate the returns per prim that my current shop does.
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11-07-2011, 03:11 AM
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| Senior Member      Join Date: Oct 2008
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Yep. If there is a real problem the only people that can handle it is LL anyway. The estates were supposed to value add but all they mainly did was pancake them and parcel and all performance issues remained squarely with LL. LL isn't stupid. | |
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11-07-2011, 04:41 AM
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| Solace Beach Owner        *SLU Supporter* Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: California
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Business: Solace Beach Estates
Client: Singularity | Yes we definitely haven't seen the last of the dumping. I for one am in the process of dumping a sim - but I do the right thing and relocate my tenants to my other holdings with a free week of tier for their trouble, so that takes time. I will try to sell it on the used market as I have in the past, but it's getting harder to find buyers each time so I may have to abandon. I also have an empty full sim, which I've offered my tenants a large rental credit for if they refer someone. We'll see how it goes. The pancake and parcel landlords are surviving this precisely because they don't add much value. Their prices are low because they have poor service and few amenities, but those low prices keep tenants. Those of us who have decent support, community, events, and nicely terraformed sims can't afford to drop our prices as low, because offering those services costs money. Then we lose tenants because the economy sucks and people want the cheapest deal, even if what they get is crap.
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11-07-2011, 07:08 AM
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| Senior Curmudgeon *SLU Supporter* 
I'm the woman your mother
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11-07-2011, 11:19 AM
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| Hahaha  Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: LaChine
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Business: monkey Client: dunno but it keeps crashing all the time | Quote:
But anyway, when we get Barbie, Victoria, Lorena, Jessica, Miriam, and Michael down from the walls and ceilings, things will be fine again.
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11-07-2011, 12:51 PM
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| is a pussy. 
Laughs and sneers in LOLCat
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My Mood:  SL Join Date: February 8, 2006 | some estates pass on the grandfathered tier and some do not. I am still paying the same rental tier in a grandfathered sim as I did in 2006. (been renting there the whole time). But I am aware not all estates do that.
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11-08-2011, 01:49 AM
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| Technisch directeur 
I am my business.
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That is unlikely. More logical, for a landlord, is, when faced with no other option then to abandon a sim, to move people from a NON grandfathered sim to a grandfathered sim and then abandoning the non grandfathered sim. | |
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11-08-2011, 02:53 AM
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| Solace Beach Owner *SLU Supporter* Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: California
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Business: Solace Beach Estates
Client: Singularity | Yes...I would never get rid of my grandfathered sims. I'd dump all my other sims before I even considered it. I also don't pass on the grandfathered pricing, though I sometimes price lower than my usual. I need that extra $ to pay for my event sims that don't cover their own tier. |
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11-09-2011, 12:47 AM
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| Fortuna vitrea est *SLU Supporter* 
Cherry red lips and sick on
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| 179 Old ACS regions were brought back online yesterday. These were predominantly those regions which were taken off line a week ago and are spread across the ACS sub-estates. Time will tell whether this is a temporary action to allow ex-tenants and sub-tenants to return and pack up their prims or a more permanent return.
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11-09-2011, 11:50 AM
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| Senior Member
Renting Lands
| Oh really u can put offline all a sudden 179 regions and ask lindens to put them backonline WOW who pay tier while they are offline if i may ask this anyone got a clue or its a new service free of cost? i am not allowed to have regions offline or i must abandone them... or was it regions to convert before they pack prims? Cheers Kristaki Hudson |
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11-09-2011, 12:28 PM
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| Hahaha Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: LaChine
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Business: monkey Client: dunno but it keeps crashing all the time | Quote:
This speculation is all based on the premise that ACS knows better, and would never cancel sims with tenants on them. However, I could be wrong, but I do know the Chungs, but from a professional standpoint only, please understand. | |
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11-09-2011, 12:33 PM
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Renting Lands
| Hi there Mrs Chung, I am confuse are you a Chung staff or owner of sims with the acs company i ask to light my brain  i told previously since when can someone can have offline regions and is a tier billed meanwhile? Zeus Program what is this never heard of Zeus. I wonder why never cancel a sim if one day all change what happen to this never cancel... you think LL will not change rules finally they do the rules none of any account on sl has far i am told has a mortal resident that an account other hten LL can change it. LL has our life and business and islands in their hands... You included |
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11-09-2011, 12:35 PM
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| Senior Member
Renting Lands
| Anyone can comment this offline region? I find this very confusing why paying a tier on a sim empty if others can have them offline do they pay tier or not? what a mess since this offer and this offline stuffy so a new continent again will show up>? I think there is way too much lands on the market vacant and to rent since 2 years we are swimming in a soup of nowhere horizon... but SL is still here and still to float apart we are in the islands horizon in land search... |
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11-09-2011, 10:23 PM
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| & the voices in his head
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You can fill up a ticket and ask Linden to wake up the region for 24 hours (if I'm not mistaken) at no cost. I know cause I did it in the past. | |
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11-09-2011, 11:27 PM
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| Cool Second Life Reporter 
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11-10-2011, 11:10 AM
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| Hahaha Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: LaChine
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Business: monkey Client: dunno but it keeps crashing all the time | Just saying - a relatively large influx of estate sims for lease came onto the marketplace today in Second Life. (Yes, most seemed to be from the ACS group.) Last edited by Mrs Chung; 11-11-2011 at 08:40 AM. Reason: ooo so many spelling mistakes in just one line |
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11-11-2011, 12:53 PM
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| Senior Member *SLU Supporter* 
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11-12-2011, 02:07 PM
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| Hahaha Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: LaChine
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I just wish that I had been a virtual fly, on the virtual wall, listening to the virtual conversation(s) between LL and whomever heads ACS to make this arrangement. Since ACS has been such a dominating force in SL for many years, that "whomever" is no pussy cat when it comes to good bargaining. My guess is, free tier for those 179 sims for the next 3 months, but since I am "silenced," please don't listen to me.  | |
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11-13-2011, 02:42 PM
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| Fortuna vitrea est *SLU Supporter*
Cherry red lips and sick on
her boots
| This week saw the grid grow by 230 regions, Private estates gained 227 whilst Linden Owned gained 3. Total number of Main Grid regions is now 31410 ( 24387 private estates & 7023 Linden owned) 86 new regions were added and 261 returned to the grid, with 121 regions removed (33 were renamed and 4 came and went since last report) The jump to 7023 Linden Owned from last weeks 6984 is really only 3 additional regions and a reclassification of the 36 Linden Realm regions to being Linden Owned, these regions originally appeared Between 19th Oct & 2nd November and were misclassified as private estates at that time. The main growth this week has been driven by the returned ACS regions reported earlier this week, in total ACS added 193 regions. The actual ACS estates which increased are: Jessica Chung who added 50 Regions (including a 14 region estate purchase),Miriam Chung 34,Azure Islands 28, Barbie Chung 27, Victoria Chung 19, Lorena Chung 18 & Dreamland ACS added 17 Other large estates with positive growth were Lala Rentals adding 26 and Zoha Islands adding 10. There were no significant estate losses this week. The 347 new/returned regions are : Code: ABC Breedables Elite Aethereal ª Afternoon Tea Agusan Marsh ª AlgarveSunset Portugal Amanohashidate ª Amelia Gadelia Isle Andalasia ª Apfelland Kolonien Germany Apple Island ª Apple Orchard Point ª Aqua Vitae ª Armona Island ª Artemisia Island ª Ashdown Forest Austral Islands ª Azure Star ª Barbie Cradle ª Battle of Life Bayview Isle ª Beckley ª Belle France Big Love ª Bisque Shores ª Black River ª BlackHeart ª Bliss Garden Center ª Boa Dream Beach ª BoomBadise Bowgrace ª Brave Heart ª Brightstar ª Caicos Island ª Camaro ª Camaya Coast ª Cammie Island ª Canabis Island ª Cape Hatteras ª Capistrano Beach ª Captain Island ª Cardinal Island ª Caribbean Breezes ª Caribbean Dreams ª Caribbean Gulf ª Castle Lagavulin Causton ª Caymen Harbor ª Challenge Charmed One ª Chatillon Bay Chatillon Wilds Cherry Beach ª Chiquita ª Clark Harbor ª Clashnagrave Royal Home Close By ª Cloud of Love Clover Isle Coast Blanca ª Corgate ª Cougar Islands ª Coyote Ugly Creole Isle ª Dantes Peak ª Daredevil ª Death Row ª Defairy ª Deprivement ª Desert Flower ª Desperate ª Devils Island ª Diamond Coast ª Disco Fever ª DLicious ª Dream Sands ª Dreamy Reflections ª Duel One Duel Two Dusk to Dawn ª DYNASTY ISLE DYNASTY WATERWAYS Eastern Sands ª Easton Eclipsed ª El Fuego ª Element Illusions ª Emerald Waters ª Enchanted Dreams ª Enchanted Dust ª Enchanted Love ª Enchanted Magic ª Enchanted Swansong ª Enchanted Tales ª Encino Island ª Ensenada ª Entre Mares Eraserheads ª Eternal Darkness ª Eternal Shadow ª Faesle Forest ª FANTASTIC ª Fantazma ª Fierce ª Forbes Isle ª Forbidden Secrets ª Forest Glen ª Forodwaith Fortitude ª Four Seasons City ª Foxcoast ª Gadget Place Gaia Woodland ª Gaines ª Garage Days ª Glazed ª Glorietta ª Glovers Reef ª Glymmirwood ª Golden Palace ª Governor Island ª Grand Palaccio ª granja Grenadines ª GreyHavens Forest Guerras Haddock ª Half Blood ª Hamsphire Isles Happy Feet ª Harclow Hard Rock ª Harper Valley ª Hazel Ridge ª Heavenly Cove ª Hell Fire Hemogloben ª Herencia ª Hobbit Island ª Hogwarts ª Holland Beach ª Hollandaise ª Horse Farm ª Hot Spot ª Hunters Mountain ª Hyams Beach ª ILE BRUNELLE Imperio In The Club ª Indiawood Land ª Intimate Romance Garden Intoxicating ª Invalid Location ª Iskander ª Island of Wind ª Isle of Faith ª Isle of Love ª Isles of Hampshire Jack Sparrow ª Jacquerie ª Jaguar Mountains ª Jelly Island ª Jewl ª Joey and Sadie Kaia ª Kajira ª Kartimar ª Kathy ª Killesse Island ª Kimberly ª Kimchi Sand ª Kota Kinabalu ª KSA Fantasy Game Kukuru Mountain ª La Longuera ª La Vida ª Lago del Amor ª Land of Zues ª Lands of Twilight ª Leagues Libera Isle ª Liberty Harbor ª Lighthouse Bluff ª Linden Helper Island1 Linden Helper Island2 Lithonia Live Laugh Love ª Loma Isle ª Lost Oasis ª Lust Kingdom ª Magic Dreams ª Magnolia Bay ª Major ª Mangroves ª matos Maui Wowii Mauritius ª Mellow Yellow ª Menel Dur ª Mi Cielo ª Michigan Bay Midnight Fantasy Miel Island ª Montblanc ª Monte Chatillon Monte Vista 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11-13-2011, 02:49 PM
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| Fortuna vitrea est *SLU Supporter*
Cherry red lips and sick on
her boots
| Adult Rated regions grew by 52 to 3153, now 10.0% of the Grid, General rated also grew by 27 to 4780,(15.2%) Breakdown of current regions by Ownership and Classification:
The 121 regions no longer on the grid are : Code: Acedia Akenato Paradise III Alfheim Amaradia Amevi Anime Anneland Arroo Atcha Avallon Ayrshire Bacolet Heights Bacolet Sea Bacolet Wilds Black Rock Bliss Gardens Bonfante Gardens Bubble Butterstone Canadian Country East Cape Victoria Caribean Dreams II ª Chaos Chapel Forest Cheshire Chocolatefind Cocoa Beach Isle Coffee Jelly Crab Meadow Beach Danmark Deitide Island Denmark Egholm Dithmarschen DIXON Elite EBTG Eighth Rua Espresso Eternal Hope FairChang Mirador Fantasya Island Firefox Forever Dream Freya Lands Gelsomina Gigli Cavana Grand Manan Island GROWL Help Test1 Help Test2 HOP Corral 2 Huckleberry Farms Ibiza City iles secrete ª Indigo Shores InWorld Technology Islaes of Hampshire ª JabberwockyOLD ª JohnsonCountyCommCollege jokaydia II Jolie Rogue Island Juicy Mirabella Karu KSA INVISIBLE Kula La Amizade Isles Last Samurai Lemondrops Forest Lennon LindenWorld Futures Lovely Rita Magic Pleasures MeetingSupport Mockingbird Bay Modesto Morning Dew Muse Isle NorthWest Myrtle Isle Neverwhere New Babylon Oita Om Shanti Ottermere Palm Cove Views Peaceful Garden Persenickety Isle Pesca di Lago Pisces Isle Playground Paradise Prefab House Rapture Haven Rare Gem Rendervisions Isle Rockwood Royal Dynasty Sasan Scorpio Cove SeaQuest Island Siesta Beach Sinaloa Mexico Snowglobe Solagyx SOS Star Rainbow Island Strawberryfind Sunbari Sweet Icon Swiss Garden Tertius Vitae Texas nights The Venue Thinis TRAAFfIK Tropic Dream Utopic Valhalla XII Vanillafind Ventura Villa Royal Vonda Cove WideWorld Horses Wotcha Of these 33 are renames : Code: Akenato Paradise III ==> Sinners Paradise Amevi ==> SL PARIS SG Anneland ==> Residence Mistress Shu Atcha ==> Westeros Forest Bacolet Heights ==> Monte Chatillon Bacolet Sea ==> Chatillon Bay Bacolet Wilds ==> Chatillon Wilds Bliss Gardens ==> Bliss Garden Center Bubble ==> Challenge Caribean Dreams II ==> Tagada Chapel Forest ==> Caribbean Dreams Cheshire ==> Jabberwocky EBTG ==> Lost Oasis Fantasya Island ==> Belle France Forever Dream ==> SPILO CORPORATE Help Test1 ==> Linden Helper Island1 Help Test2 ==> Linden Helper Island2 HOP Corral 2 ==> Maui Wowii Islaes of Hampshire ==> Isles of Hampshire KSA INVISIBLE ==> Easton Kula ==> Harclow Last Samurai ==> SANADA Lennon ==> Lithonia Morning Dew ==> Death Row Myrtle Isle ==> RAO Peaceful Garden ==> BoomBadise Pesca di Lago ==> Ashdown Forest Prefab House ==> Small Ville Sweet Icon ==> MySun MyMoon Thinis ==> Westeros Fleabottom TRAAFfIK ==> DYNASTY ISLE WideWorld Horses ==> AlgarveSunset Portugal Wotcha ==> Westeros Landing
Estate groupings coming online
Breakdown of Host Server Classes by Ownership:
The following 18 regions were on the grid but marked as down when the last survey was run:
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11-13-2011, 04:19 PM
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11-15-2011, 11:53 AM
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| Wordcrafter *SLU Supporter* 
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