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| Regarding the Trixie/Bunny scam (part 1) The off topic nonsense posted about this scam in Tyche's "New SL Sims in the past week" thread is without doubt insulting to Tyche and anyone trying to view her thread for what it was intended. Most importantly though it is proving to be extremely damaging to innocent parties who find themselves implicated in the whole fiasco. It is time for the real facts of this case to be presented. So much damage has been done now things could hardly get any worse, but at least there is an opportunity to put the record straight while the topic is still relevant to those who took an interest. Not that I think it will stop the childish witch-hunts, character assassinations, unfounded speculation, conspiracy theories and innuendo. But at least that nonsense can be drawn away from Tyche's thread and live in it's own festering little pool instead. The following post is long because it is detailed. I make no apologies for this. If you have a short attention span or really don't care, now would be a great time to move on to another post. If you are unaware of the scam mentioned in this post's title, you probably won't find what is below either interesting or relevant. So, lets get down to business. I will tell you the actual facts and circumstances surrounding the Trixie Farrior/Bunny Claven scam in the approximate order they occurred. I will also digress occasionally to give the details of actual events which have been misrepresented by people with the sole intent of character assassination. I am uniquely placed to do so because I am LadySmack Gears SL partner. My in-world name is Spyder Kamm. I know the individuals involved and the events that took place in recent weeks and also the history of those involved, going back several years. Fact 1: Trixie Farrior and Bunny Claven are both operated by one and the same real life individual. That individual is a man who lives in the UK. I know the RL name of this individual but for obvious reasons can't post that much detail here. For the purposes of this post I'll refer to him as "N"....continued in next post |
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| Regarding the Trixie/Bunny scam (part 2) ...continued from previous post... Fact 21: "N" instructs Lady that these regions are to be rented out as full sims."N" determines the pricing. 'Trixie' begins advertising and sales while Lady applies terrain and basic landscaping to make them more appealing to potential buyers. STX tier systems and signage owned by "N" are placed and put into operation. Lady is under the impression that the L$15k per week deal was a one day only thing. As the financial aspects and ownership of the sims was entirely funded by "N" she was not particularly concerned with the how and why of "N's" pricing although obviously she raised an eyebrow at the L$15K per week deal. Without doubt many who read the above just won't be able to accept the simple facts as they make for a less than exciting story. It is all rather small and boring isn't it? The more intelligent of you will apply the Occam's razor principle and accept it for what it is. Anyone trying to infer the involvement of anyone but Trixie/Bunny ("N") in anything underhanded is talking absolute nonsense. I have seen the term 'derail' used excessively by one poster on this matter, this is laughable as the poster concerned has never even been on the right track themselves. I have the full endorsement of LadySmack Gears in making this post. She has reviewed the text and corrected a few factual errors I made in the original draft. She and I would be happy to discuss the contents and facts presented here with any affected or interested parties in-world. Obviously we are not at liberty to share chat logs or further personal details over and above what I have already made public because of Linden Labs TOS constraints. It is unlikely that either of us will post anything further regarding this matter in these forums - there really is no more to tell. If anyone does want to get out the pitchforks and charge off after LadySmack, or me, or Marcus, or Jim, or Lorac, or the man in the moon, you are welcome to, but you are wasting your time and making yourself look like a complete fool in the process. But by all means go after Trixie Farrior/Bunny Claven - the sooner scum like "N" is driven or removed from SL the better for everyone in my opinion. If anyone reading this has fallen victim to Trixie/Bunny and lost money over their land purchase you have my and LadySmack's sympathies and we urge you to file an AR as soon as possible. To those who have tried and convicted LadySmack Gears on the basis of rumour and innuendo in this forum and banned her from your sims, well, that's fine. You are entitled to do whatever you like with your own land. What's done is done and life goes on, an apology is neither looked for nor expected. Perhaps in future you won't be so quick to judge on the basis of notoriously inaccurate "he said/she said" forum posts. |
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I think you could have the same effect if you, ah, subtracted a declaration of independence or two from it, honestly. | |
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Didn't realize I was obligated to share, beyond getting scammed in the first place, any further details of the events. Never denied getting a partial refund. My only purpose in contacting Marcus' alt in the first place was to try and keep him from getting screwed over. Didn't know he was doing investigative shit. | |
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My Mood: SL Join Date: 5yrs ago | [QUOTE=Notjustanyone;1596320]...continued from previous post... I have seen the term 'derail' used excessively by one poster on this matter, this is laughable as the poster concerned has never even been on the right track themselves.] LMAO... Your whole post is the most laughable of all. It took you how many days to write that up??? And now everyone will feel sorry for LadySmack... poor thing got caught up in a scam. She didn't know people were renting the sims... She didn't know the same sims were being sold... I guess this person who has been in the land business for many years... just wasn't paying attention at all and then placed that ad in her name. What was she thinking? hmmmm I guess she wasn't. I guess "the poster" was off track when mentioning the Alts were one and the same. How was "the poster" to know that this smart business woman handed over an old alt acct to someone and had no idea they were going to scam people... "the poster" apologizes. Thank you for taking a few days to write up your post and fill us all in on what really happened. And thank you for letting us know that all those people that were mentioned in the posts aren't involved. Can't help but think your whole post reeks of bs and at the same time is almost believable. hmmmm. |
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| For those above who are going to all the trouble of whining about post length or infering they don't care, I will repeat something from early on in the above post: "The following post is long because it is detailed. I make no apologies for this. If you have a short attention span or really don't care, now would be a great time to move on to another post...." What part of that don't you understand? Why didn't you just move on as suggested? Perhaps the concept of a browser "back" button is also beyond your comprehension. I have a right to write as little or as much as I like. You have a right to read as little or as much as you like. Pretty simple concept really. |
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Business: Avatar Bizarre Client: Crash-o-Matic 2.0 Blog Entries: 25 | I'm guessing this only matters to the people involved, which sounds like about three. You're right. I don't have to read it, and I didn't. Mostly. I think I read the first paragraph before my eyes glazed over and I stopped caring. But the How to Get Into Heaven thread is oddly quiet and I'm looking for new stomping grounds. |
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My Mood: SL Join Date: 03/17/2004 | I actually read the whole thing in bed on my tablet. I usually read celebrity gossip but this was more interesting. Someone commenting on this situation in a land group I am in several days ago, so I was aware of the drama. Then I was able to come here and see the whole text based soap opera. Thanks for posting the whole story. This is a cautionary tale to never be a land manager, kids. |
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Anyways, @ Topic starter: I won't comment on the content of the post but I think it's a little odd that this main post is supposed to come from the person with all the answers while remaining anonymous. It could be anyone posting right now so anything you say might not be taken seriously by anyone. When I got approached I was asked if my name could be used. Since I dont have anything to hide I agreed to Marcus he could use my name here in public (Marcus original post im talking about is in a different thread). Think it's a bit odd you want to remain anonymous yourself now while providing us with all the facts. The source (In this case the topic starter) must be identified and validated to determine how valuable/reliable his/her story is. I know this is difficult on SL with all the alts, but starting off with a name like "notjustanyone" might not have been the best solution here. Anyways, Last edited by Katya Dirval; 07-15-2012 at 07:04 AM. | |
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You will find this in the 5th paragragh in the original post. ...yes he did tell you who he is, and is genuine in the facts. Sorry you misunderstood. Last edited by LadySmack Gears; 07-15-2012 at 07:25 AM. Reason: addition | |
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I was going to post this up in response to one of your bf's comments... but this may be a more appropriate place for it and it also may be the light you just can't seem to find.... This is interesting why would "you" Ladysmack Gears give "your" USA alt named Bunny Claven to Trixie Farrior to use in his UK business when Trixie Farrior could have made one in 5 mins??? ... Hold on I have to sneeze..... (((VATTTTttttttttt))) ....... there now lets continue : ) I sure hope LL don't catch wind of that one... Ohhhh and I love how your bf outed Tricky Jonson... that wasn't to hard to figure out. I also enjoyed reading all of yalls sl profiles.... It didn't take long as they all pretty much look the same.... empty. Well except for yours Lady that changed several times. I love how you went from pretty much owning that spyder several weeks back to now that spyder owning you... I guess you wanted everyone to see the softer side of you. I hope you haven't lost that stern confident business woman attitude that you once portrayed. This whole story seems a bit Tricky to me... but if you sit back and look at all the facts, widdle through all the drama, you still end up with a bunch of peeps trying to cover their arses and eventually outing eachother. Keep it up... you're doing a fine job. I see that Lady got in a reply just before mine here so I had to add this... In response to her saying she talked to LL... I wonder if her performance was good enough to convience them that she is a victim in all this? Props to her if she did. Last edited by FemGhost; 07-15-2012 at 09:00 AM. | |
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Business: Smooth Jazz Club & Lounge Client: Firestorm, SL Dev Viewer, Exodus, CoolVL Blog Entries: 6 | I love when people talk about their "rights" lol. Let me present the internet Miranda warning about your rights: 1. You have the right to remain silent; in this drama-fest that would be a wise thing. But you won't. 2. Anything you say, or can be alleged to have said, will be presented as "fact" to spit-roast you over open coals with a prim apple stuffed in your mouth. 3. You have the right to an attorney; an internet attorney, not a real one. Good luck with that. Make sure that internet attorney knows where to find less than authentic fake legal documents to support your drama. 4. If you cannot afford an internet attorney one will be ghost-written for you by the community and will create as many alts, fake witnesses, bff's, SL family members, and SL pregnant talking uteri as may be necessary to carry on the soap opera. 4. Do you understand these rights as I've explained them to you? Good ... feel free to carry on with your embarrassing little drama. |
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