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Old 08-10-2008, 01:42 PM   #76 (permalink)
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He answered all my other questions, in fact, I believe he answered every other question that was asked. I've asked a few Lindens for a definition of "ad farm," what exactly they consider the bad things that need to be policed off The Grid All Hail The Central Grid, and eaten static every time.'
C'mon Khamon, you know as well as me that Jack's passion for SL dates back as far as our own. You and I are the only two who remember how you met, and the courtesy shown at the Olive border.

That said, how is the road to hell paved? Yeah, I'll continue to subscribe to my Khamon-induced cynicism (ALL HAIL KHAMON-INDUCED SL CYNICISM!) <grin>, but if there's a person I trust in LL to TRY to do the right thing, it is Jack.

He's really going out on a limb for us here to TRY to do the right thing. However, in a company of the size of LL, one person does not a movement make. He'll have to get the company to buy in to the philosophy he's trying to promote.

I do believe in Jack. What remains to be seen is whether he has the ability to affect a culture-shift within a company of LL's size.

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Old 08-10-2008, 02:20 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Yes All Hail The Central Jack, he's been a great help to many people, including me, across the Mainland, these many years, uphill, both ways. And I didn't mean to imply that he was being intentionally evasive, but that he doesn't have an answer. Simply stated, the team cannot effectively police and enforce an ad farm policy without stating publicly a clear definition of what an "ad farm" is.

Last round, it was small overpriced for sale parcels hosting obnoxious view crippling signs. The small parcel griefers and extortionists have found ways to work around that definition either leaving the obnoxious view crippling signs and using the land description to convey instruction for requesting an overpriced sale, or by taking down the prims, piling the parcel with lagacious scripts, and leaving it for sale at an outrageous price.

So I apologize for seeming anti-Jack. That'll never be the case.
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Old 08-10-2008, 02:34 PM   #78 (permalink)
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I can not tell if you are being sarcastic. Of course everyone had problems with autoreturn. Do you remember when parts of your build would go missing from the world because the auto-return mechanism couldn't distinguish between stuff that was already there and stuff that was just now rezzed even though it exceeded the parcel object limit? They really aren't so hot with the automated bits either (at least on the first few iterations). That was even a way of griefing for a time: go to a parcel, start rezzing things like mad and watch the builds disappear, or just be indiscriminate, launch a grey-goo self replication attack and send entire sim contents to lost+found folders.
I should have used the wink smiley - I was being somewhat sarcastic, but trying to let a nugget of truth slip through.

LL's automated processes have always far outperformed anything requiring daily human interaction. While the automated processes are far from perfect - as anything with software is - they've been far more reliable and scalable and consistent than anything that requires human judgment... as all things in software are.

I still discover bugs in code I wrote 5 years ago, and people have been using without a flaw in the same amount of time. A new twist, a new wrinkle, a security concern that didn't exist upon the initial writing. It is a universal flaw throughout the industry. I'd wager than over 95% of the code on this planet isn't reviewed as it should be on the regular basis. LL is hardly to blame for this almost-universal law of progress.

That said, yes, I was making a half-joke with autoreturn. It has never been perfect, yet, it is one of the most useful tools available in SL for the land owner.

BTW, Malachi, it is good to see you posting regularly here. I missed ya. Are you still wearing the Hawaiian shirt with the same fanaticism I keep purple hair with?

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Old 08-10-2008, 02:41 PM   #79 (permalink)
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Yes All Hail The Central Jack, he's been a great help to many people, including me, across the Mainland, these many years, uphill, both ways. And I didn't mean to imply that he was being intentionally evasive, but that he doesn't have an answer. Simply stated, the team cannot effectively police and enforce an ad farm policy without stating publicly a clear definition of what an "ad farm" is.
You're absolutely correct there, my man. I just wanted to make sure that despite being somewhat skeptical about the new policy, I wanted to back Jack 100% in his efforts. While I'm more skeptical about Linden Lab than I have been in the past (I think it has a lot to do with their on-going growing pains, and that for a while now, they've believed a lot of the over-hype written about them a year ago), I still believe in most of the individuals working there.

Oh hell. I'll say it. Robin should be running the show there. She always should have. Philip and Cory's strength was always that of being too wide-eyes teenagers dreaming. That's a big strength. Robin always seemed to me to be the most realistic one there - she's got some east coast in here. I like all these people a lot, and think they're brilliant. I just think having Philip and Cory running the show was a great beginning - but they should have been kept in the dreamer role. Probably during the 2006 hype-cycle, they should have made Robin president, and brought in a traditional management team.

I'm also hoping Katt takes some Jeska lessons and gets the main forums back to honest discussion - rather than Disney. Before anyone replies, notice I said I HOPE... I don't think it'll happen though.

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Old 08-10-2008, 02:52 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Are you still wearing the Hawaiian shirt with the same fanaticism I keep purple hair with?
That's soooo uncharitable. I change outfits once a year whether I need to or not.
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No ad farm policy will be effective until they're willing to state publicly exactly what it is their targeting and not going to tolerate any more. It's hard to believe that residents jump up and down cheering when Jack says LL obviously have to tackle ad farms first. That pretty much amounts to 'we're not ever going to get past this "ad" . "farm" . thing to whatever we're claiming will mysteriously happen afterward but that's all I can say about it now.'
I wish I had taken a snapshot of my home sim before the "ad farm ban" so I could show you the difference. As far as I'm concerned, their policy had quite an impact so far.
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My sim improved, too, but only because we bought up the plots that were reduced so there's no way for the ad cutters to get back in. But the adjacent sims look worse than ever.

I guess I was lucky then. In my sim, LL reclaimed most of the ad farm plots to "restore the beauty of the region".

But then again, the state it was in was intolerable, so it's not surprising that they felt compelled to do something.
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I wish I had taken a snapshot of my home sim before the "ad farm ban" so I could show you the difference. As far as I'm concerned, their policy had quite an impact so far.
Mine got better for a little while, but has since gone waaaaaay downhill People get around this by splitting the land in to lots of unusable 64-128sqm parcels (like big long strips), interlocking, all priced above fair market value
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