Bams

Well I've been out of this thread for a few days while I dial in my new notebook and I can see it's pretty much where I left it.

How long do we have before the scammers realize this is a worthless issue and blow away? Too bad good time and server space has to be spent on this stuff. Why not expend your time trying to make money in a more accepted, useful way? Instead of leeching off of the community and preying on it's lesser gifted SLitizens, why not create something or use your time to contribute to the community.

I guess scammers and lazy con artists looking to make the fast buck just can't understand why a community of people looking to forward a common cause have no tolerance for stupid garbage like this.

Macphisto Angelus

I went in to check a little more into this Zorkmid stuff and a place called "Zorkmid Zone" popped up in search. Turns out Aargle or whatever owns it.

Still selling Zbucks there and games are still ready to play from what I can tell (on touch they give you the option to pay) so nobody from LL seems to have asked him to close. Seems like if they were acting on this it would have been a target being the home base.

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Joshua Nightshade

I haven't heard anything either, though it would be nice.

Bams

You would think he would WANT to shut it down until it's resolved to avoid having to pay back even more suckers... I mean residents who were dumb enough to invest their money.

Macphisto Angelus

Bams

Wasn't it PT Barnum who said "a fool and his money are soon parted?"

IntLibber Brautigan

Actually, Gigs, it is true. Firstly, its not a pregenerated list of RNG. Winning combinations are set on a fixed schedule (i.e. the 1000th player gets ###.## USD prize, the 2,000th, the 5,000th, etc etc). Now, LOSING turns may use RNG to generate the combos, but all winning turns on the schedule are all set to provide a predetermined prize amount, etc.

Now, dont believe me, contact some RL slot machine companies. The Nevada Gaming Commission wound up mandating this for a few reasons: a) in order to make it impossible to hack the slot machines to trigger payouts, and b) to ensure all games meet the laws required 0.95 return on risk ratio (i.e. for every 1 USD played, the amount of payout on average must be $0.95 minimum in any casino game in Nevada).

So no random number generation determines winners at any time, no pregeneration of random numbers happens.

Joshua Nightshade

Did you just read what I posted of what the Nevada Gaming Convention ACTUALLY mandated?

Bams

Where did you get this garbage from?



My brother worked with the NGC for awhile right after he came back from Iraq. Joshua has it properly outlined above there for anyone who didn't bother to read it.

IntLibber Brautigan

Ya thanks for the heads up. Frank loves to spin things. Here's my reply there:
Centralgrid.com: any info ?

Macphisto Angelus

Thanks. He has pretty much left you holding the bag multiple times there and other threads. Thought you may want to have your say.

Talwyn Mills

You know, it occurs to me that someone who was going to stand behind his promises and pay out would simply say so, otherwise its just arguing for the sake of arguing.

That leaves the conclusion that he has either not got satisfied customers, or he has some way in his terms to escape giving refunds.

Maybe we should ask slapnuts if he's happy now..

Macphisto Angelus

Well, Jo has a friend that invested in it. Maybe Jo can say if they got a full refund?

Colette Meiji

Well to be fair shouldn't any calls for refunds wait until tomorrow when LL does whatever it is they are going to do tomorrow?

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I mean I agree with being annoyed that this loophole directly went after something the initial blog post said not to try,

And intentionally going against the spirit of the Federal Law.

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But .. at least until tomorrow we don't know for certain Argyle's loophole plan will be banned? is that true?

Macphisto Angelus

Very true, but he eluded that he already sent notifications to his paying customers on how he will proceed. I guess you have to go buy a machine or some funny money to know the details though.

OH and also that his bank account was lowered lindens for his resolution. So, if we are to believe that then we can safely ask Jo's friend or Slapnuts what the plan is.

As to it not being our business.. if one is going to try to change the entire LL system and skirt Federal laws to make a buck (also risking our ability to use credit cards with LL) then I call that public and not private at that point. After all, he was vocal about his genius idea and was proud of it, after effects should also be public. But swindlers tend to never make a direct admission and blame others besides themselves when the rain falls not to mention trying to discredit those that call things into question. So, as we see he is not going to easily offer his ideal for resolve. That translates to something less then a full refund in most minds.

Colette Meiji

Oh I think it is our business.

Due to the fact that someone exploiting LL's policies could cause us ALL problems, it makes it our business.

And anyone who bilks customers becomes subject to public catcalls --- Thats just how it works.

Remember Ginko?

We just dont know quite yet if the bilking part is gonna happen.

Macphisto Angelus

Yep, all in time.

Scam man just wanted to point out that I was not a customer and was a meddler for pushing him on the refund stuff. I can understand him wanting to keep his dealings in the shadows. These kind of shady things get ugly when brought into light.

Nothing concrete may be said tomorrow either. Even if LL doesn't do anything just yet it is just a matter of time before the Feds come back in to take care of it. If we lose our credit card privelages that will pretty much kill LL's vision of SL. I don't think they will be silly enough to chance that too much.

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From Regulation 14
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So there. Scheduled payout machines are actually illegal in Nevada.

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FlipperPA Peregrine

Hopefully the refunds will happen. If Aargle does that, hey, props to him. I still don't think it is fair he got horrible advice from LL, but Aargle: you should have seen evidence of past changes in policy in this growing company. "He who does not know history is condemned to repeat it."

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Bams

I agree it would be nice if he did the refunds. But I don't feel any sympathy because you have to be a moron not to understand that there is no loophole. Obfuscating the situation with another layer of 'play money' doesnt' change what's going on. Even IF one or more Lindens were stupid enough not to grasp what was going on Arargle should have known he was skirting disaster by hoping no one caught on.

Jo Sapeur

I'll ask him the next time I see him online.

Dnate Mars

Well, what was the outcome today?

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/28678581@N05/2796660091/

Snapshot taken at "LLGaming", another provider of "legal gambling" systems.

Behold the remarkable lack of slot machines.

Cincia Singh

1. You made it our business when you posted on here bragging up your LL connections who had blessed your "loophole" scenario; deal with it.
2. You say your customers were satisfied. How can they be satisfied being out of business?
3. You don't owe anyone an answer even if they DID spend money with you; but answering someone's questions is the "right" thing to do.
4. The fool in all this is anyone who thinks there is a "loophole" through which you can squeeze gambling in defiance of federal law and TOS.

Feel free to create something for inworld that doesn't prey on human frailty or bilk money from those with an addiction.

My two cents ... keep the change.

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