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Bams · 09-23-2008, 04:02 PM

so I'm sure we've kicked this one around on here before, I was unable to locate the other thread for some reason so I started a new one.

I'm having a new notebook shipped this week and the option was available to get Vista 64 Bit Ultimate on it and I had that installed. I now have two questions..

The HP notebooks don't come with a Vista DVD it is preinstalled, and you make a recovery set of DVDs when you get it. There's also a copy of the recovery on the recovery partition, but that's the same thing.

Question 1) Is there any way to get a fresh install out of that setup without all of the preinstalled crap? Can I aquire a retail Vista 64 DVD and use that with my notebooks key #? I know I can uninstall some of the preinstalled apps, but as we all know there's no way to gut it all out without a fresh load of the OS. I read something about an app called 'vlite' which is supposed to provide you with a 'custom' Vista DVD for this purpose but I have no experience with it.

Question 2) Is there anything I should be wary of moving to 64 bit? I'm having it shipped with 4GB of ram which is a GB more than my current machine, which is the same model with Vista 32 bit Ultimate.

Bams · 09-27-2008, 04:53 AM

So my shiny new notebook arrived today with a freshly installed copy of Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit (and all of the preloaded crap that HP ships). It's another tx2510us that has an additional gig of ram for a total of 4GB. It was very responsive out of the box even with the preloaded crap on it. I figured I'd write about my 64-bit impressions here for others who might be looking for info about it.

I cracked the box around noon today and as of 2am I have finished removing the stuff i didn't want, getting my Windows partition resized and a storage partition created, transferred back all of my data and completed the Windows updates. Whew

Specs:
AMD Turion x2 (Z-80?) 2.1Ghz
4GB DDR-2 6600
250GB SATA
DVD Super Multi +/- RW/Lightscribe
A/B/G/N Wifi
10/100/1000 Wired Ethernet
56k Modem
Fingerprint Widget
Synaptics TP
Wacom Enabled Touchsreen (Active & Passive) <- Love this screen

Bams · 09-27-2008, 05:22 AM

ACK! I ran into my first 32-bit/64-bit barrier. I use a program called Virtual Clone Drive which allows for the mounting of ISO and other CD image files as actual CDs. To my dismay, it doesn't work with Vista 64-bit.

Anyone have a suggestion for a good alternative? Here is the page for VCD which I am currently (or was currently) using...

SlySoft Virtual CloneDrive

ETA: NM it was just being stubborn. It's working awesome now.

Walker Moore · 09-27-2008, 05:38 AM

Urk. If life hadn't taken me away from the forums lately I'd have probably responded sooner.

I was expecting problems like this before migrating to Vista x64 because I realised it was the first Windows OS to require signed kernel level drivers for the sake of system integrity. I only had a problem with a program called Sandboxie though. (The solution was to abandon it. I like my ultra stable system kthx.)

Have you tried Daemon Tools? I've always used that for mounting ISOs and it works fine with Vista x64. Make sure you download the Lite version (it's free) and do a custom install to filter out the toolbar I think is included in the package.

There's a free program out there called EasyBCD which allows you to override the signed drivers requirement, but I've not touched it yet and don't think I ever will.

Walker Moore · 09-27-2008, 05:41 AM

Oh, I'm not sure if you're still interesting in trying a retail disk, but I doubt it would work with an OEM key.

An OEM disk might work though, and you can get standard versions which don't include all that crapware. I bought one when I rebuilt my system. Not Vista Ultimate though.

09-23-2008, 04:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
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09-27-2008, 05:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
Bams Bunnie's Baby small militant angry lesbian gerbil Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,300 Poker Drop Champion! Frogger Champion! Bubble Bobble Champion! Bomb Jack Champion! SL Join Date: 9/23/2007 Business: Bams & Bunns Blog Entries: 1 SLShopper Ads: 8 My Mood:	ACK! I ran into my first 32-bit/64-bit barrier. I use a program called Virtual Clone Drive which allows for the mounting of ISO and other CD image files as actual CDs. To my dismay, it doesn't work with Vista 64-bit. Anyone have a suggestion for a good alternative? Here is the page for VCD which I am currently (or was currently) using... SlySoft Virtual CloneDrive ETA: NM it was just being stubborn. It's working awesome now. Last edited by Bams; 09-27-2008 at 05:33 AM..

09-27-2008, 05:38 AM	#4 (permalink)
Walker Moore The Son of Avatar Hiding Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8,105 Doom Rider Champion! My Mood:	Urk. If life hadn't taken me away from the forums lately I'd have probably responded sooner. I was expecting problems like this before migrating to Vista x64 because I realised it was the first Windows OS to require signed kernel level drivers for the sake of system integrity. I only had a problem with a program called Sandboxie though. (The solution was to abandon it. I like my ultra stable system kthx.) Have you tried Daemon Tools? I've always used that for mounting ISOs and it works fine with Vista x64. Make sure you download the Lite version (it's free) and do a custom install to filter out the toolbar I think is included in the package. There's a free program out there called EasyBCD which allows you to override the signed drivers requirement, but I've not touched it yet and don't think I ever will. __________________ twitter \| last.fm \| flickr

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09-27-2008, 04:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
Bams Bunnie's Baby small militant angry lesbian gerbil Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,300 Poker Drop Champion! Frogger Champion! Bubble Bobble Champion! Bomb Jack Champion! SL Join Date: 9/23/2007 Business: Bams & Bunns Blog Entries: 1 SLShopper Ads: 8 My Mood:	So my shiny new notebook arrived today with a freshly installed copy of Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit (and all of the preloaded crap that HP ships). It's another tx2510us that has an additional gig of ram for a total of 4GB. It was very responsive out of the box even with the preloaded crap on it. I figured I'd write about my 64-bit impressions here for others who might be looking for info about it. I cracked the box around noon today and as of 2am I have finished removing the stuff i didn't want, getting my Windows partition resized and a storage partition created, transferred back all of my data and completed the Windows updates. Whew Specs: AMD Turion x2 (Z-80?) 2.1Ghz 4GB DDR-2 6600 250GB SATA DVD Super Multi +/- RW/Lightscribe A/B/G/N Wifi 10/100/1000 Wired Ethernet 56k Modem Fingerprint Widget Synaptics TP Wacom Enabled Touchsreen (Active & Passive) <- Love this screen

09-27-2008, 05:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
Walker Moore The Son of Avatar Hiding Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8,105 Doom Rider Champion! My Mood:	Oh, I'm not sure if you're still interesting in trying a retail disk, but I doubt it would work with an OEM key. An OEM disk might work though, and you can get standard versions which don't include all that crapware. I bought one when I rebuilt my system. Not Vista Ultimate though.