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Any of you graphics folks....

I have a client who is mulling having me produce some training videos in the style of Khan Academy. If you're not familiar, they use a video "blackboard", like this:



Khan Academy lists the gear and software they use, most of which I have or can get -- and I've been editing video forever, so I'm all set there.

My question is about the input device -- the graphics tablet. They say they use a "Wacom Bamboo" -- but they don't say which model, and these Wacom things seem to range in price from (to my unschooled eye...) "that can't be right, it's too cheap" to ....

I ain't paintin' the Sistine Chapel here, I just want an animated blackboard to make a screencast!

They say the one they use retails for $80, if that helps.

There are also other brands that seem to be much less expensive for more capabilities.

Any thoughts/recommendations/warnings?
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I can do all the math on that blackboard! Am I a math whiz?
I dunno -- my math teacher gave me one of these:



Is that good?

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I dunno -- my math teacher gave me one of these:



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Pffft, your mathematical reputation precedes you, Casey...you don't fool anyone.
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Pffft, your mathematical reputation precedes you, Casey...you don't fool anyone.
Hey! Staring slack-jawed while wondering if that stuff on the blackboard is a message from the Zodiac killer counts as participation!
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Any of you graphics folks....

I have a client who is mulling having me produce some training videos in the style of Khan Academy. If you're not familiar, they use a video "blackboard", like this:



Khan Academy lists the gear and software they use, most of which I have or can get -- and I've been editing video forever, so I'm all set there.

My question is about the input device -- the graphics tablet. They say they use a "Wacom Bamboo" -- but they don't say which model, and these Wacom things seem to range in price from (to my unschooled eye...) "that can't be right, it's too cheap" to ....

I ain't paintin' the Sistine Chapel here, I just want an animated blackboard to make a screencast!

They say the one they use retails for $80, if that helps.

There are also other brands that seem to be much less expensive for more capabilities.

Any thoughts/recommendations/warnings?
It's a while since I got my current Wacom but I don't think the Bamboos are a tablet now, more a notepad that can digitise sketches on it. I'm guessing they mean the old style bamboos as those used to be a basic entry level tabby. They were about that price.

I'd say the basic entry level Intuos tablets would do fine. You don't need a large one, I've done detailed graphics work on a small Bamboo Fun (ancient!) and now an Intuos 4, also small size. It just means you might need to zoom in sometimes to work on finer details, but that's not something I've ever had a problem with.

I'm aware of other cheaper brands, but I've never tried them to know if they're a good deal or how durable they are. My Wacoms have been used and abused for years and still work perfectly, so I'm happy to recommend them.

Once you get a tabby, a wee tip - use it instead of your mouse for a while and that should help you get used to using the stylus. Also, if you're finding it tricky to write with the stylus while looking at your screen, I've sometimes doodled on a thin bit of paper, held it on top of my tablet and drawn over the lines. I'm not sure if that would still work on the new tablets, but it might be an idea if you're trying to be precise for a video and finding it hard to write naturally onto the screen
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It's a while since I got my current Wacom but I don't think the Bamboos are a tablet now, more a notepad that can digitise sketches on it. I'm guessing they mean the old style bamboos as those used to be a basic entry level tabby. They were about that price.

I'd say the basic entry level Intuos tablets would do fine. You don't need a large one, I've done detailed graphics work on a small Bamboo Fun (ancient!) and now an Intuos 4, also small size. It just means you might need to zoom in sometimes to work on finer details, but that's not something I've ever had a problem with.

I'm aware of other cheaper brands, but I've never tried them to know if they're a good deal or how durable they are. My Wacoms have been used and abused for years and still work perfectly, so I'm happy to recommend them.

Once you get a tabby, a wee tip - use it instead of your mouse for a while and that should help you get used to using the stylus. Also, if you're finding it tricky to write with the stylus while looking at your screen, I've sometimes doodled on a thin bit of paper, held it on top of my tablet and drawn over the lines. I'm not sure if that would still work on the new tablets, but it might be an idea if you're trying to be precise for a video and finding it hard to write naturally onto the screen
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By "small" do you mean the ones that have about 6" by 4" of "live" area?

(Also -- shopping around reveals an astonishing bit of trivia: Best Buy is still in business. Why?)
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(Also -- shopping around reveals an astonishing bit of trivia: Best Buy is still in business. Why?)
Around my area, Best Buy is the best there is, which pretty much sucks. The nearest Fry's is about three hours away.
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I reckon if its just for use for use for the 'video blackboard' and if one has never used a tablet then wacom is fully automatic rifle to a pillow fight.

The only downside of a Huion in this case is that the pen needs a battery which makes it heavier.. as well as no auto off switch.

I love my cintiq, which I dreamt of getting for years and years and was even eyeing the Huion when a dear friend bought me a cintiq as a present.

You can't beat Huion for price.
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The only downside of a Huion in this case is that the pen needs a battery which makes it heavier.. as well as no auto off switch.
Well I think in the very newest release of the Huion it has like an integrated recharging battery, instead of one you have to change - so I think it's a little lighter, but in any case probably after a day or two getting used to it you're used to it.
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Well I think in the very newest release of the Huion it has like an integrated recharging battery, instead of one you have to change - so I think it's a little lighter, but in any case probably after a day or two getting used to it you're used to it.
especially if you haven't used anything else.
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Thank you so much!

By "small" do you mean the ones that have about 6" by 4" of "live" area?

(Also -- shopping around reveals an astonishing bit of trivia: Best Buy is still in business. Why?)
Yep, that's about the size I've got. Just measured and 4.5" x 6.75" is what I have on my Intuos
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Welp, I've sent in my Wheaties boxtops for this:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2867-_-Product

I'll spoiler the pic since it's huge, but there isn't that much to see -- I've already named it The Monolith of Doom. Black tablet, black and gray stylus, black stylus holder that looks like an inkwell. (You youngsters, you'll need to Google "inkwell." Kids these days.) They don't show them, but I'm going to make a wild guess that the cords and USB/wireless dongle are black. Yay; more black stuff to find in my black luggage if I ever travel with this contraption. Did some Chinese goth style this thing?


The working area's about 7" x 11" -- 17 cm x 28 cm. I got to thinking about the smaller screen size and "zooming in" and realized that probably wouldn't work well with my application, which will be, essentially, live screencasting.

Cody, it's on sale for $96 for the rest of the day, usually $120.

Once I get ahold of it -- probably after Christmas -- I'll test it out and post results -- it got at least one nice review on YouTube, so, fingers crossed.
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The Huion Q11K graphics tablet arrived, and I promised an update.

Installation was no problem -- charge the tablet and pen, install the driver, plug in the wireless dongle, and that's that.

The pen lives in a weighted pen holder that opens up to hold extra nylon pen points and the wireless dongle. It looks rather elegant here on the desk.

The whole thing came in a very nice box, too, which will be its home when I'm not using it.

So far I've tested it with Photoshop, Inkscape, Paint, and a freeware drawing program called SmoothDraw. They all worked, but nothing I've found in the Microsoft store has wanted to play at all -- they're all designed for Windows Surface stuff, apparently, and while you can "draw" (yeah, right) with the mouse, and you can see where the tablet SHOULD be drawing, it doesn't make any mark.

If you've not used one before, you'll probably be excitingly inept when you start -- it's a whole new hand eye challenge. It has taken an hour or two of practice even to get to this:



Truth be told, though, that represents something pretty close to the pinnacle of my drawing abilities anyway! ("Doctor, when my broken arm heals, will I be able to play the violin?")

I think this will be more than workable for what I have in mind -- in fact, it's a bit like Eku said about her Cintiq, "bringing an automatic rifle to a pillow fight." It's probably WAY more technology than I'll ever need, but that's better than having an inadequate tool.
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