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Old 02-09-2015, 05:19 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I don't completely understand why this is being done. If it were somebody with an ax to grind against SLU, you'd think they would want to take credit for it.
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:20 PM   #52 (permalink)
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That is the maddening part - I have no idea why it is happening.
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:27 PM   #53 (permalink)
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I almost misread that as "rabbit," and I think I will just go with suspecting a rabbit somewhere.

But if it is a Chan group, would they take credit at all? I mean, if they're just doing it for the lulz, why would they?
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:39 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Old 02-09-2015, 06:12 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Regardless of all that.. it's a damned shame that someone's butthurt enough to spend money on a DDoS attack. Those things ain't cheap, ya know.
How is a DDOS attack not cheap? It's operated from the attacker's zombified machines using stolen broadband, none of which belong to her/him. It's possible that the original software to do it cost something, but I'm under the perhaps-mistaken impression that there are lots of open-source blackhat sites from which a free version of the necessary tools can be had.

It wouldn't be easy for someone like me, whose FORTRAN days never included more than rudimentary OS statements to submit a job. But for someone who is in CS or who has studied it, initiating a DDOS attack is sadly inexpensive.
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Old 02-09-2015, 06:49 PM   #56 (permalink)
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How is a DDOS attack not cheap?
Most of the zombie machines are rentals run by criminal hackers; you purchase time from their botnets.

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I don't completely understand why this is being done. If it were somebody with an ax to grind against SLU, you'd think they would want to take credit for it.
They probably are, somewhere. We just have to go look. Suggestions?
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Old 02-09-2015, 06:56 PM   #57 (permalink)
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How is a DDOS attack not cheap? It's operated from the attacker's zombified machines using stolen broadband, none of which belong to her/him. It's possible that the original software to do it cost something, but I'm under the perhaps-mistaken impression that there are lots of open-source blackhat sites from which a free version of the necessary tools can be had.

It wouldn't be easy for someone like me, whose FORTRAN days never included more than rudimentary OS statements to submit a job. But for someone who is in CS or who has studied it, initiating a DDOS attack is sadly inexpensive.
Considering that most SL merchants only get a few dollars from SL sales and little profit from that, hiring a commercial DDoS service (rent a botnet) would be high. $5 - $10 an hour starting out.

As citation: Commercial DDoS Services Proliferate, Are Responsible For Many Recent Attacks
DDoS-for-Hire — Krebs on Security
DDoS for hire services offering to 'take down your competitor's web sites' going mainstream - Webroot Threat Blog
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:09 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Considering that most SL merchants only get a few dollars from SL sales and little profit from that, hiring a commercial DDoS service (rent a botnet) would be high. $5 - $10 an hour starting out.

As citation: Commercial DDoS Services Proliferate, Are Responsible For Many Recent Attacks
DDoS-for-Hire — Krebs on Security
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Even a kid working at MacDonald's could afford that and would, if the butthurt were deep.
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:11 PM   #60 (permalink)
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I'm sure it is; but, I'm not considering this since it's SLU, and that is tied to SL in a periphery way and the motivation of a DDoS attack is related to SL. Then, again, I'm not a cyber-security investigator.

I still think Woogles did it, though.

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Even a kid working at MacDonald's could afford that and would, if the butthurt were deep.
Agreed. It would have to be psychotic sort of butthurt to pour that much cash out, though... and look what the end result is. We're still here.
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:22 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I wonder if you could use the SL grid to launch a DDoS attack.
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:51 PM   #62 (permalink)
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I'm sure it is; but, I'm not considering this since it's SLU, and that is tied to SL in a periphery way and the motivation of a DDoS attack is related to SL.
It could just as easily be tied to spammers, I'd think, not necessarily SL related. It's not as if they don't have a reputation for doing this sort of thing either.
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:35 PM   #63 (permalink)
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It could just as easily be tied to spammers, I'd think, not necessarily SL related. It's not as if they don't have a reputation for doing this sort of thing either.
You mean they've finally noticed their spam posts have a 20 second half-life?
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:38 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Well whoever they are they aren't doing much. We will all be right back here posting like normal as soon as the site goes back up. It's not like they will be chasing any of away anytime soon. That and it's hardly a notice considering some of the problems we've put up with over the years on Second Life where the Lab is constantly trying to run off their own customers.
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Well whoever they are they aren't doing much. We will all be right back here posting like normal as soon as the site goes back up. It's not like they will be chasing any of away anytime soon. That and it's hardly a notice considering some of the problems we've put up with over the years on Second Life where the Lab is constantly trying to run off their own customers.
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:04 PM   #66 (permalink)
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You mean they've finally noticed their spam posts have a 20 second half-life?
I wouldn't accuse whoever is doing it of being very bright. The site would have a lot of monetary value in some ppls eyes though, and they're all about the quick and easy short-term gains.
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Old 02-10-2015, 01:31 AM   #67 (permalink)
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Old 02-10-2015, 03:26 AM   #69 (permalink)
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Wouldn't that be similar to what Emerald did?

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That Woogles person would be on my suspect list. I wouldn't think a ripper would be above doing a DDOS attack.

Or, possibly the convo about GamerGate drew the interest of some of the more cretinous elements within that group.

Either way, I'm sorry that it's happening, Cris.
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SLU started lagging a bit right now so I fired up Norse - IPViking Live, something sure beating the hell out of Saint Louis.

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How is a DDOS attack not cheap? It's operated from the attacker's zombified machines using stolen broadband, none of which belong to her/him. It's possible that the original software to do it cost something, but I'm under the perhaps-mistaken impression that there are lots of open-source blackhat sites from which a free version of the necessary tools can be had.

It wouldn't be easy for someone like me, whose FORTRAN days never included more than rudimentary OS statements to submit a job. But for someone who is in CS or who has studied it, initiating a DDOS attack is sadly inexpensive.
However, if one is a complete n00b, one has to pay someone that knows what they're doing.

And even if they have somewhat of a clue, but they're not "connected" the easiest way to get a botnet going is to rent time on a preexisting one, though that isn't necessarily cheap.
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Is this related to the spammer I just noticed creating random topics with random text, perhaps?
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