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Old 06-07-2012, 01:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The End of The Password

The End of the Password as We Know It - Technology - The Atlantic Wire
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This is why I try to get everyone I know to use a unique password for every site. But it can be impossible to explain why. To most people, salting is something you do to french fries.
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The article is more about "The End of Password Storage as We Know It", and not passwords themselves.

What we need are things like USB keychains, where you need a physical device in addition to the password to log in. Then stealing the password won't help, cause you need the device in addition.
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The article is more about "The End of Password Storage as We Know It", and not passwords themselves.

What we need are things like USB keychains, where you need a physical device in addition to the password to log in. Then stealing the password won't help, cause you need the device in addition.
Blizzard has been increasingly insistent that people use authenticators when playing their games, and has vehemently claimed that the vast majority of all account compromises are via phishing, keylogging, or other social engineering. There's been increasing amounts of circumstantial evidence mounting up, however, that what's really happening is session spoofing, and the authenticator is starting to look like a red herring.
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Blizzard has been increasingly insistent that people use authenticators when playing their games, and has vehemently claimed that the vast majority of all account compromises are via phishing, keylogging, or other social engineering. There's been increasing amounts of circumstantial evidence mounting up, however, that what's really happening is session spoofing, and the authenticator is starting to look like a red herring.
And the authenticator isn't foolproof, either. There have been cases of authenticator-linked accounts getting compromised.
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:31 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I prefer constantly changing passwords. at college all the professors carried a device that told them the password for the current 10-second window.
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:52 PM   #9 (permalink)
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SecureID tokens, that's a good business to be in. The tokens are sealed and have a battery that lasted a couple of years, and are disabled well before that... so you have to get another one on a regular basis. From RSA. The security argument is reasonable, but I still think it's mostly about recurring revenue.
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In my ideal world sites with large numbers of users, and therefore large numbers of users who don't know how to protect themselves on the internet, would make easily available a good explanation of all the necessary basics to protect yourself online. These tutorials should be written at a VERY basic level in 5th grade English.

Part of discouraging the problem is reducing the supply.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:35 PM   #11 (permalink)
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This is why I try to get everyone I know to use a unique password for every site. But it can be impossible to explain why. To most people, salting is something you do to french fries.
I dunno why... should be really simple.

give password to e-mail service, some employee steals password and looks at your e-mail... they now have your password an probably a bunch of sites you log into... if you used the same password for all of them, you've handed them every site linked to your account.

it'd be like having one key made for your house, your office, your bank, and your car, and then giving a copy of the key to your landlord, your manager, the credit card company, and your car insurance agent... some asshole making a copy of any one of them now has access to everything you have. even if you figure out which one got the key stolen/copied from it, you have to change them all, and anything could be lost.
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At my place of employment we have fingerprint readers to log into computers. My laptop has a fingerprint reader on it. Seems like this might be a good way to go. I don't like using the same passwords for different logins but I am constantly forgetting them to sites i don't go to often. Let me just swipe my forefinger instead.
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At my place of employment we have fingerprint readers to log into computers. My laptop has a fingerprint reader on it. Seems like this might be a good way to go.
This is how you guys probably have top secret discussions:

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Old 06-08-2012, 04:46 AM   #15 (permalink)
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At my place of employment we have fingerprint readers to log into computers. My laptop has a fingerprint reader on it. Seems like this might be a good way to go. I don't like using the same passwords for different logins but I am constantly forgetting them to sites i don't go to often. Let me just swipe my forefinger instead.
I really hope those aren't commercial grade print scanners.... those things are crap.
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I use my name for my password ---- but I put the middle name first, the last 2nd and the first last.

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Old 06-08-2012, 05:56 AM   #17 (permalink)
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At my place of employment we have fingerprint readers to log into computers. My laptop has a fingerprint reader on it.
Does it recognize the fingerprint of a single finger or does it store the data for each one with its minor differences?

If it's a single finger, you're pretty much screwed if you find your "sensor finger" covered in a thick band-aid one day and the reader stubbornly refusing to recognize any of your other unhurt fingers.
Been there, cursed and bitched at that...
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fingerprint readers fuck up. then you have lost all data.
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At my place of employment we have fingerprint readers to log into computers. My laptop has a fingerprint reader on it. Seems like this might be a good way to go. I don't like using the same passwords for different logins but I am constantly forgetting them to sites i don't go to often. Let me just swipe my forefinger instead.
That's _old_ technology. I remember reading about mobile phones with fingerprint readers in them when I was in high school in the '70s. We're just barely catching up with 40 year old popular science magazines.
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I'd prefer a fart smell sensor. Mine are unmistakable.
If I couldn't remember my password I would only have to eat some beans instead.
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maybe you need to get that nematode issue treated.
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In most cases, you can override fingerprint readers and type your password. They are just a convenience.

But they can be easily spoofed.

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Why is it that people think that a string of code transmitted through the air is safe (even when encrypted)?
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Why is it that people think that a string of code transmitted through the air is safe (even when encrypted)?
Sense of false security we've gotten from having to constantly remember and use Passwords .

if you can't see it and/or don't know it. Then it's secure to their minds...
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I have a good system worked out to generate easily remembered unique password for every site.

It is basically [Password slug][Personally important number][site specific keyword]

As example, and no, these are not my passwords... Say, the meaningful number is my address, which hypothetically is 101. The slug here will be Password with a capital letter.

You get
SLU: Password101virtualworld
Twitter: Password101tweeting
Favebook: Password101status

That sort of thing. It also makes them long.

For anything critical (ie dealing with money, ebay, amazon, bank, paypal) They all have their own, entirely unique passwords.
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