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Old 05-08-2012, 09:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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(CNN) -- If you want to salute, race or flirt with other drivers in Nevada, you could soon be out of luck with some cars.

That's because on Monday, Nevada became the first to approve a license for "autonomous vehicles" -- in other words, cars that cruise, twist and turn without the need for a driver -- on its roads.

The license goes to Google, the Silicon Valley technology giant known more for its search engine and e-mail service that nonetheless has been known to dive into other big ideas such as space elevators to Internet-enabled glasses.
Google gets license to operate driverless cars in Nevada - CNN.com

I plan on going to Vegas for Christmas. This may be fun.
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This begs the question: who is responsible when there is an accident ?

There is a reason why car manufacturers haven't gone to fly-by-wire controls for motor vehicles. It's not because it would be more expensive or impractical. It's because of the legal liability problems when something goes wrong.

As long as there is a human holding the steering wheel with a foot on the brake pedal, and there are mechanical linkages that connect to the wheels, nobody can claim that it's not their fault.
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I thought this was an excellent article on the implications:

Google's Revolutionary Self-Driving Car | John C. Dvorak | PCMag.com
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There will be a lot of adjusting to do but one thing is for certain: the 30,000 plus traffic accident deaths will be greatly reduced. The robocars should be able to eliminate most accidents and make going from place to place more efficient, saving money and time.

Again, why isn't everyone jumping for joy about this development?
I think this is because this invention, which only became technologically feasible over the last few decades, has caught everyone off guard. The public is stunned by the development


People are not jumping for joy because we are control-freaks who would rather trust our own imperfect judgment than give up the steering wheel to an automation software program. This isn't a rational resistance, but I predict it will be an intractable one.
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I don't think these things auto drive on highways. They have a very low top speed.
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Old 05-10-2012, 09:21 AM   #6 (permalink)
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People are not jumping for joy because we are control-freaks who would rather trust our own imperfect judgment than give up the steering wheel to an automation software program. This isn't a rational resistance, but I predict it will be an intractable one.
I don't know, I already take naps when driving all the time, I'm looking foward to doing so without any worry.

great great video here (watch it all, please):


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Old 05-10-2012, 03:24 PM   #7 (permalink)
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People are not jumping for joy because we are control-freaks who would rather trust our own imperfect judgment than give up the steering wheel to an automation software program. This isn't a rational resistance, but I predict it will be an intractable one.
ah but there's the rub... you aren't trusting the software... you are trusting the people that programmed it, the people who put it together, whether it's contingencies are robust enough, the devices it's using to operate (and whether they are functioning properly or not), and anyone who has or can make changes to it.

any one of those could be the source of a disastrous error that might be obvious to a local user.

That isn't exactly an irrational resistance, a machine can only do what it's programmed to do. no more, and possibly less (if anything in the chain breaks down).

That's not an argument against such systems, but it is an argument for fast manual overrides.
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any one of those could be the source of a disastrous error that might be obvious to a local user.
Given the consistently poor judgment exhibited by so many average drivers, even flawed software is likely to be safer and result in overall lower numbers of traffic accidents.

However, just as people resist wearing a seatbelt because "I don't want to be trapped in the car" even though statistics show most people are hurtled through windshields without them, we all seem to trust our own perspective more than rational statistics. And we all believe our own driving skills are better than they are (myself included), so it's all the other drivers who need to give up control, but not us.
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statistics are great, until you happen to land outside the curve...

after all statistics say most people are straight.

all that said, I have no problem hopping in one of this IF there is a manual override (even if I didn't use it).Simply because the more of these are in operation, the more predictable and safe they are in general. Otherwise I might think twice... better to have it and need it then to need it and not have it.
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I don't know, I already take naps when driving all the time, I'm looking foward to doing so without any worry.

great great video here (watch it all, please):

Self-Driving Car Test: Steve Mahan - YouTube
That was awesome! Nice twist at the end.
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My first reaction was to be uncomfortable with this idea. But, then I started to think about the aging population and the percentage of people who refuse to stop driving when they can no longer see or react as they should - or who simply continue because they can't survive otherwise. I think this could end up being a much safer and more reliable alternative once its ready for primetime.
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I wonder how well it works in the rain or fog or snow, when road markings are a bit worn off or when STOP signs are missing or have been vandalized.

Not everyone lives in Legoland suburbia.
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I agree with Taco's link and I also frankly don't understand why this hasn't happened already.
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This technology wont only be used for cars but for any job that requires driving. School buses, Public Transportation, Taxi, Delivery Trucks.

Some times I wish Technology could halt, at least the technology of making less jobs.
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I agree with Taco's link and I also frankly don't understand why this hasn't happened already.
Because it probably doesn't work as well in the real world as it does in a promotional video. And also because car manufacturers don't want it for the reasons I stated above.
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I wonder how well it works in the rain or fog or snow, when road markings are a bit worn off or when STOP signs are missing or have been vandalized.

Not everyone lives in Legoland suburbia.
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Because it probably doesn't work as well in the real world as it does in a promotional video. And also because car manufacturers don't want it for the reasons I stated above.
The robust and off road verities of this technology are only about 15 - 17 years old. In the first year (2004) of the the DARPA Grand Challenge the farthest any of the entrants got was 7.32 miles the next year (2005) 4 different teams were racing through a grueling off road course. In the 2007 Urban Challenge autonomous cars were contending with traffic and traffic laws. Nonetheless substantial portions of this technology will be available in the 2013 model year cars, it goes by the names Adaptive Cruse Control and Lane Keeping System.
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This technology wont only be used for cars but for any job that requires driving. School buses, Public Transportation, Taxi, Delivery Trucks.

Some times I wish Technology could halt, at least the technology of making less jobs.
I don't think this will replace professional drivers. I think that society will want a person on the scene to assume responsibility and monitor the machinery, even if that person is blind or crippled and not to take over.
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I don't.

One of the first uses will be to get rid of truck and taxi drivers to save money.

They'll leave sleepy morning commuters, the cell-phone yakkers, the kids, the wanna-be Nascar drivers, and the makeup-mirror moms for last 'cause they're the ones that will complain loudest about it.
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Because it probably doesn't work as well in the real world as it does in a promotional video.
The first cars probably didn't work as well as the advertising literature either, so what?
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