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Old 10-22-2009, 05:17 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Re: Windows 7: Vista Without the Crap

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Old 10-22-2009, 05:21 PM   #27 (permalink)
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This is a real thing! It costs $17 US Dollars or so according to google.
777Y, which is around US$8.

Hell, I love me a Whopper, but I can't even imagine eating one of those. That could serve my whole family.

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Old 10-22-2009, 06:04 PM   #28 (permalink)
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777Y, which is around US$8.

Hell, I love me a Whopper, but I can't even imagine eating one of those. That could serve my whole family.

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Only the first 30 sold each day are 777Y, after that it goes up to 1300Y or something.
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Ahh, didn't see that.

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That was more or less painless but ye gods it was slooooooow. Carth made me watch Hellraiser 2 whilst it was doing it thing :/

I am impressed anyway because as soon as it fired up it has found drivers for anything it needed to, I was online straight away without having to look for wireless drivers etc. SO far so good It is the slowest upgrade ever but once it is done there is not half the messing around trying to get everything to work that there used to be.

Of course now I have to go d/l a mail prog because the EU insisted windows mail was not bundled with windows. Grrrrr.
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This is a nice replacement for the former Outlook Express:

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Thunderbird is a nice replacement for the former Outlook Express:
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:38 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I actually use Outlook anyway, but I have tried Thunderbird and prefer Windows Live Mail.
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Old 10-22-2009, 08:42 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Yech!
You misread the Yahoo part - that was to support Yahoo mail in the program - because the base Yahoo account does not allow POP access.
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You misread the Yahoo part - that was to support Yahoo mail in the program - because the base Yahoo account does not allow POP access.
Ah cool then! This would be a major step forward for Microsoft then.
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Mail - Windows Live
Have just d/l it and installed. Was cool because as soon as I fired it up it grabbed all of my mail settings from the old Vista setup without a glitch so again ...no messing about.
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I actually use Outlook anyway, but I have tried Thunderbird and prefer Windows Live Mail.
I use Vista's Windows Mail, but I've never tried Windows Live mail. I hope it supports POP3... also hope it's not one of those services that store all your private mail on their servers.

Another big question that I'll be researching: can I copy all of my archived mail from Windows Mail to Windows Live. And once it's there, can it be migrated to another mail client if I don't like it. I have archived mail going back to 1997 that I'd like to keep. I'm getting tired of MS making me migrate my mail from app to app, sometimes without any direct support.
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I use Vista's Windows Mail, but I've never tried Windows Live mail. I hope it supports POP3... also hope it's not one of those services that store all your private mail on their servers.

Another big question that I'll be researching: can I copy all of my archived mail from Windows Mail to Windows Live. And once it's there, can it be migrated to another mail client if I don't like it. I have archived mail going back to 1997 that I'd like to keep. I'm getting tired of MS making me migrate my mail from app to app, sometimes without any direct support.
Here is how to migrate from Windows Mail to Windows Live Mail:

Moving Messages from Vista's Windows Mail to Windows Live Mail - Windows Live

It is not a web based program - though it can access web mail, it is a standard email client.
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Thanks Cris. That helps.

Ideally, I'd like to back up all my messages (somehow), then import them after I do a clean Win 7 install.
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Thanks Cris. That helps.

Ideally, I'd like to back up all my messages (somehow), then import them after I do a clean Win 7 install.
Ah, I've taken to using Thunderbird and have it set up so my mail is stored on a different partition.

I'll have Thunderbird use the same folders for both XP and W7.
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Ah, I've taken to using Thunderbird and have it set up so my mail is stored on a different partition.

I'll have Thunderbird use the same folders for both XP and W7.
I've used Tbird before. I used it for a year and learned that I prefer the Outlook interface -- Tbird just feels too clunky and awkward. Yes, I know... Outlook is crap and vulnerable and f*** Microsoft and all that, but it works the way I need it to.

If Windows Live doesn't work out, I guess I'll *have* to use Tbird, but I won't like it.
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I've used Tbird before. I used it for a year and learned that I prefer the Outlook interface -- Tbird just feels too clunky and awkward. Yes, I know... Outlook is crap and vulnerable and f*** Microsoft and all that, but it works the way I need it to.

If Windows Live doesn't work out, I guess I'll *have* to use Tbird, but I won't like it.
Outlook is fine (Post Office 97), plus it's good to have it because most RealJobs(tm) will use it. They just got better about enforcing license keys, so I moved to free products, so it's Thunderbird and OpenOffice for me! Plus, for my purposes, Thunderbird is cross-platform, so I can access the same mail storage from TBird in Linux.
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Here's a Windows 7 power tip: A lot of people (me included) miss the "up-arrow folder" icon from Windows XP's explorer interface. You could use it to move up to the folder that contains the folder you're currently browsing.

Vista and Windows 7 inexplicably removed the icon from explorer without providing an obvious replacement (and this was actually probably the #1 reason that I hated Vista and resisted it for as long as I did), but they actually added a new key combo that does the same thing: ALT+UP

Use ALT+UP in any Explorer window or File Open/Save dialog to see your parent folder.
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Here's a Windows 7 power tip: A lot of people (me included) miss the "up-arrow folder" icon from Windows XP's explorer interface. You could use it to move up to the folder that contains the folder you're currently browsing.

Vista and Windows 7 inexplicably removed the icon from explorer without providing an obvious replacement (and this was actually probably the #1 reason that I hated Vista and resisted it for as long as I did), but they actually added a new key combo that does the same thing: ALT+UP

Use ALT+UP in any Explorer window or File Open/Save dialog to see your parent folder.
They replaced it with something superior - not only can you move up to the parent folder, you can select to switch to another subfolder of the parent folder, or go above the parent using the breadcrumb navigation:

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They replaced it with something different - not only can you move up to the parent folder, you can select to switch to another subfolder of the parent folder, or go above the parent using the breadcrumb navigation:

I can't see the picture you linked, but I fixed your post anyway.
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I fixed the image - I still think it is far superior - you can easily move up one level by clicking the name - which visually indicates what folder you are moving to as opposed to just a single arrow. Additionally, at each level you have the option to switch to other folders - definitely an improvement over XP's little arrow.
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I've been using 64-bit Vista for a few months now, on my new PC.
And I don't know why everyone is so down on it.
It works great and I hardly even notice it.
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