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Cindy Claveau · 10-20-2009, 11:36 AM

Question: If someone in the future can travel back to prevent major catastrophes, why hasn't anyone eliminated Hitler in 1923?

detrius · 10-20-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

That's the eye-candy version, but they're not the only ones reporting it. Blame Fox for sexing it up with "sabotaged from the future", but how different is it to say "killed by its own grandfather"?

Is the Large Hadron Collider Killing Its Own Grandfather? | GeekDad | Wired.com

Less sensational versions of the story:

Could the Large Hadron Collider be held back by its own future? - Telegraph

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/sc.../13lhc.html?bl

Looks just like two scientists discussing the possibility of a very exotic scenario, using layman terms to describe it to the general public.

detrius · 10-20-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

Question: If someone in the future can travel back to prevent major catastrophes, why hasn't anyone eliminated Hitler in 1923?

They were / will be stopped by Nazis from the future!

Trout Recreant · 10-20-2009, 11:45 AM

Ishina · 10-20-2009, 11:46 AM

Surely there is only one timeline, and any time travelers that have travelled to a time in our past will already have made their mark on the timeline, and we would already have the effects of their actions in our history.

Beezle Warburton · 10-20-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

Question: If someone in the future can travel back to prevent major catastrophes, why hasn't anyone eliminated Hitler in 1923?

Russia would've taken over the world in the 50's, and that would have been worse.

io Kukulcan · 10-20-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

Question: If someone in the future can travel back to prevent major catastrophes, why hasn't anyone eliminated Hitler in 1923?

Or at least pretended his watercolors were good?
Who was the art professor that sent him on his way, in Vienna?
Worst criminal ever.

Cindy Claveau · 10-20-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ishina

Surely there is only one timeline

I don't think it's that cut and dried. Some theoreticians have speculated that time is like a bowl of spaghetti - each strand the product of an infinite number of variables leading to alternate outcomes.

Using that idea, there are probably other timelines where Hitler either never existed, failed before taking power, or even succeeded in winning WW2 (had America not won its independence 200 years prior, for example.)

The Butterfly Effect would have us believe that the variables which determine history can be altered by very subtle, unforeseen interferences.

On the other hand, the idea that there are a billion alternate Cindys wandering around in other dimensions kinda makes me wonder if I'm the Main or the Alt?

Ishina · 10-20-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

I don't think it's that cut and dried. Some theoreticians have speculated that time is like a bowl of spaghetti - each strand the product of an infinite number of variables leading to alternate outcomes.

But even then, the 'me' here now would have it's own single spaghetti strand timeline? Where any attempts to change the history as I know it would already be history for me and already be effective in my present (present as in the alternate outcome in which this version of me exists).

Liona Clio · 10-20-2009, 12:36 PM

Screw John Connor. What I wanna know is who hired that Biff Tannen guy to be the LHC janitor...

Richie Waves · 10-20-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

Question: If someone in the future can travel back to prevent major catastrophes, why hasn't anyone eliminated Hitler in 1923?

you can't.. the second you A. have a time machine and B. say "I'm going to stop hitler" he suddenly no longer exists because in the past you arrived and killed him, which means in the future you wont have the idea to go back and kil *head explodes*

Ishina · 10-20-2009, 12:49 PM

Arilynn · 10-20-2009, 12:52 PM

This thread is making my head hurt. Less erudition, more LOLcats!

Ishina · 10-20-2009, 12:53 PM

detrius · 10-20-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Arilynn

This thread is making my head hurt. Less erudition, more LOLcats!

YouTube - Lolcats song

**eku Zhong** · 10-20-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

It would make a fascinating SciFi movie.

I see Angelina Jolie and Ed Norton in the starring roles, with Shia LaBeouf as the high school kid who discovers the truth about the world's fate but can't get anyone to listen!

Never, ever forget that a large nuclear detonation will always be required to save the world

Nimrod Yaffle · 10-20-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

Question: If someone in the future can travel back to prevent major catastrophes, why hasn't anyone eliminated Hitler in 1923?

How do you know there wasn't another hitler that they did stop? Ooohhhh what a mindfuck!

Nimrod Yaffle · 10-20-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Richie Waves

you can't.. the second you A. have a time machine and B. say "I'm going to stop hitler" he suddenly no longer exists because in the past you arrived and killed him, which means in the future you wont have the idea to go back and kil *head explodes*

I should have kept reading. Richie: +1

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