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Old 06-03-2008, 11:28 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I did, however, think the body paint was AWESOME.
Ganguro are awesome but have all but died out now. Incredibly rare

As for the body paint, the men are wearing red bodypaint and the women are wearing black. These photos are from the 2nd passing of the plane/helicopter and the bodypaint is being worn as a sign of aggression towards the plane/helicopter.

As if the pointing of pointy sticks in bows isn't aggressive enough
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:30 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Old 06-04-2008, 01:16 AM   #103 (permalink)
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If the positions were reversed... if you were offered the chance to expand your knowledge of the world, and the things in it... wouldn't you want it?

Just a thought.

I've been considering this a lot since the story broke. It seems like the fate of these people is being pondered like it's in our hands... which essentially, I guess it is. It's a tricky situation, because we can't give them an option without "tainting" their lifestyle, so to speak.
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Old 06-04-2008, 02:29 AM   #104 (permalink)
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If the positions were reversed... if you were offered the chance to expand your knowledge of the world, and the things in it... wouldn't you want it?

Just a thought.

I've been considering this a lot since the story broke. It seems like the fate of these people is being pondered like it's in our hands... which essentially, I guess it is. It's a tricky situation, because we can't give them an option without "tainting" their lifestyle, so to speak.
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Old 06-04-2008, 08:45 AM   #105 (permalink)
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If the positions were reversed... if you were offered the chance to expand your knowledge of the world, and the things in it... wouldn't you want it?

Just a thought.

I've been considering this a lot since the story broke. It seems like the fate of these people is being pondered like it's in our hands... which essentially, I guess it is. It's a tricky situation, because we can't give them an option without "tainting" their lifestyle, so to speak.
The comparison with expanding opportunities is not an accurate one, except in a idealistic and abstract way. A more apt question would be:

"If you were offered the opportunity to be exploited by an alien species with technology so advanced you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of protecting yourself from them, would you take it?"

That "knowledge" of which we speak comes at a very high price.

If I were dropped in the middle of the Amazon jungle, I wouldn't last 2 days. I have no idea how to survive in that environment, and I'd need years of tutoring to get to the level of competence equal to that of child born in that area.

Conversely, if you drop an Amazonian native into the middle of an urban area, they're not going to survive either. They, too, would need tutoring in everything from how to avoid being run over by an automobile and flush a toilet, to reading and writing and dealing with a legal system.

The only reason I argue for leaving them the hell alone is that there is no mechanism for protecting them from colonial exploitation. If there were ways to legally protect their lands and funds to provide medical assistance for the diseases we introduced, and education that puts them on an equal footing with European culture, then your argument would be more persuasive.
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Old 06-04-2008, 08:50 AM   #106 (permalink)
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The only reason I argue for leaving them the hell alone is that there is no mechanism for protecting them from colonial exploitation.
Which is why these people desperately need outsiders to advocate on their behalf. Contact will come, and those who wish to protect them need to decide what the best way to do that is going to be, and I'm not convinced that treating them like animals in a nature preserve is the best way to do it.
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Old 06-04-2008, 11:22 AM   #108 (permalink)
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Which is why these people desperately need outsiders to advocate on their behalf. Contact will come, and those who wish to protect them need to decide what the best way to do that is going to be, and I'm not convinced that treating them like animals in a nature preserve is the best way to do it.
I don't agree that leaving them alone is equal to "treating them like animals in a nature preserve", except by sretching the statement to mean that we are respecting their boundaries, and not forcing our will upon them.

If those legally enforceable protections Beebo outlined were in place, then I would be more comfortable with the idea of contact. I agree with you that contact will happen - it always does, eventually - and that contact will come in the form of some entity wanting the resources upon which they rely to survive. So as for advocacy, the first step would be strong protections to ensure they could live as they choose, even if that meant to tell us to stay the hell away.
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In the article I read about this there was also mention about how disruptive any contact with civilisation has been with other, formerly isolated, tribes. Not fysically (I don’t mean that wasn’t disruptive but that it wasn’t mentioned) but emotionally. These people lost a real sense of pride and worth the moment they realised just how enormous the world outside was. They started out as equals with the people that made the contact, but lost that once the realisation settled of just how small and powerless they were, and that they were left alone for humanitarian reasons, not because they were a force to be reckoned with, which was what they originally saw themselves as.
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Old 06-10-2008, 05:56 PM   #110 (permalink)
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Old 06-24-2008, 03:30 AM   #112 (permalink)
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It doesn't diminish the wonder and amazement I feel when I look at that photo, as well as the hope I have that they continue to remain uncorrupted, but that photographer is a chump to have "furthered the cause" by just plain lying.
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:57 AM   #113 (permalink)
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It doesn't diminish the wonder and amazement I feel when I look at that photo, as well as the hope I have that they continue to remain uncorrupted, but that photographer is a chump to have "furthered the cause" by just plain lying.

At least the entire thing wasn't staged with actors, so its not an entire hoax,....and as you said, that tribe has gone fo rat least 98 years without being affected by any outside factors.

(though if you zoom in on one of those pics, you can see one of the younger, teenage ones listening to an ipod)
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:17 AM   #114 (permalink)
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