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Old 12-31-2013, 11:52 AM   #26 (permalink)
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So you traded one forced standard with another, more expensive forced standard?

Yay?
You do realize both Linux and the latest version of OSX are free, right?

As to the hardware, that is debatable. Not only total cost of ownership but you need to factor in the reliability of the components.
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:45 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I did not realize the latest version of OSX was free.
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I did not realize the latest version of OSX was free.
Only if you have a Mac running OSX 10.6.8 or later. Or you go buy one. So *sort of* free, based on conditions.

I blame Al Gore.
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Old 01-03-2014, 01:34 PM   #30 (permalink)
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You do realize both Linux and the latest version of OSX are free, right?

As to the hardware, that is debatable. Not only total cost of ownership but you need to factor in the reliability of the components.
Well, Linux in most forms is free, but its real appeal is that it is open source.

I had no clue that OSX is "free" but that is mainly because I don't own an Apple. Out of curiosity, I googled "OSX is free?" and I got this as the top result:

No, OS X isn't free -- but that might not matter for Microsoft | Common Sense Tech - CNET News

I guess Apple can legally say that OSX is free, but its not free free. You need to own an Apple computer with a recent apple OS version, which is something you cannot build yourself, like you can do for a PC.

Linux is as free as it gets, no strings attached. OSX is just deferring the cost through the mandatory cost of the Apple computer (which can only be built by Apple). I could say Windows is "free" if I were to just add in a couple hundred bucks extra into my initial PC build budget, since I wouldn't have to come up with any extra money later on. However, the reality is that I just deferred the cost up front with the purchase of my PC.

Can't say I have any reliability issues either with my PC builds. I tend to build a new computer every 5 years or so, upgrading various components whenever I feel like it. I have two PC's in my place now, the most recent build (~2010, it literally loads up in 30 seconds, from pushing the power button to being ready to run programs; gotta love SSDs) and the prior build, both running fine. A windows OS usually runs about $100 for an OEM version, so really I could do what Apple is doing for the next three windows versions and still be significantly less than an Apple computer.
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You need to own an Apple computer with a recent apple OS version, which is something you cannot build yourself, like you can do for a PC.
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I just checked, FB is still there.
Yeah, I saw Facebook on a porch swing with MySpace. They looked happy together.
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I stand corrected. Apple is becoming more and more like a PC as time progresses.
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I can't remember the last time I posted on FB. Might have something to do with the fact that several friends and family members who lean hard-right, and are vocal about it, discovered FB a couple of years ago, and now think they are Masters of the Internets. You know, posting inspirational Jesus pics, blaming Obama (who I have problems with myself) for every problem that has plagued the world since WWII, photos of their gun safes (with Christmas stockings hung from them-- no, I'm not kidding), and photos of their grade-school kids holding AR-15s (nothing like using your children as political pawns, for all to see). Don't get me wrong, I'm a gun-totin' liberal, an Army vet, and a life-long hunter, it's just that my entire purpose in life can't be distilled down to hot-button issues, and maybe I recognize that firearms regulation != "gun grabbing/banning".

No wonder I avoid spending the holidays with them. Bleh.
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Only if you have a Mac running OSX 10.6.8 or later. Or you go buy one. So *sort of* free, based on conditions.

I blame Al Gore.
That is just to run the installer as an application. You can still download it for free before 10.6.8 but it requires a few more hoops to get it installed. Just ask the hackintosh users.
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You need to own an Apple computer with a recent apple OS version, which is something you cannot build yourself, like you can do for a PC.
Survey says ... BZZT!

Google hackintosh.

As to cost of hardware ... that is debatable. Can you run windows on lower cost hardware? Of course. Is it a good idea? No way. When I buy drives or whatever I prefer to go with ones that are proven reliable rather than what is the cheapest. I could have gone with a less expensive SSD but I cared about longetivity more than cost.

So yes, apple branded hardware is more expensive than the cheapest pc hardware. It is pretty comparable to (some even say lower cost than) equivalent PC builds though.

One big caveat: NEVER buy apple memory for a user-accessible slot. I think they jack it up because some users are afraid of installing it themselves.

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Survey says ... BZZT!

Google hackintosh.

As to cost of hardware ... that is debatable. Can you run windows on lower cost hardware? Of course. Is it a good idea? No way. When I buy drives or whatever I prefer to go with ones that are proven reliable rather than what is the cheapest. I could have gone with a less expensive SSD but I cared about longetivity more than cost.

So yes, apple branded hardware is more expensive than the cheapest pc hardware. It is pretty comparable to (some even say lower cost than) equivalent PC builds though.

One big caveat: NEVER buy apple memory for a user-accessible slot. I think they jack it up because some users are afraid of installing it themselves.
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Also, why would you compare Apple to the cheapest PC hardware? Trying to make Apple look good by comparing it to the cheapest junk out there?

I don't buy the cheapest components possible. If I wanted to do that, I could just grab any pre-fabricated PC for $400 and say I saved thousands of dollars over an Apple. Even the lifehacker hackintosh build doesn't spec out the cheapest hardware. Not sure anyone but an Apple owner would refer to a $2,000 hackintosh PC as "cheap". All of the components in the link Free posted for the Hackintosh build are quality, name brand, comparable components. They aren't using cheap, no-name, shady quality components. The only one that isn't very comparable is the actual pro build, but the reason is due to lifehacker's opinion that 12 cores / 2 processors is overkill in most situations.

I personally use Newegg and rely heavily on user ratings, not price. My current PC has similar or better specs than the pro hackintosh build, with many of the same name-brand components, including the i7. My PC's last for years and I have never had a component die on me, save for one graphics card (some of that track record can be considered luck, but mostly it is because of choosing quality components). My upgrades have always been optional to increase the performance, not mandatory to replace a bad component. I have hard drives that are well over 15 years old that are working just fine. My current SSD is mainly just for my OS, the rest of the storage are standard hard drives. Apparently, the only reason I don't have a hackintosh is because I don't run OSX.

That is all beyond the fact that the OSX isn't free except for people who own an apple mac with a recent OSX, or have hacked their hackintosh to make it look like they have a legitimate mac (as far as I can tell...so not much different than pirating a version of windows OS). So again, Apple only offers the "free" OSX upgrade to people who have bought their computers.
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One big caveat: NEVER buy apple memory for a user-accessible slot. I think they jack it up because some users are afraid of installing it themselves.
I have a 2011 imac with user accessible RAM slots -are you saying I can pick up whatever ram off of new-egg and pop it in there?
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I have a 2011 imac with user accessible RAM slots -are you saying I can pick up whatever ram off of new-egg and pop it in there?
RAM Memory Upgrade: Dell, Mac, Apple, HP, Compaq. USB drives, SSD at Crucial.com

Can use that to find exactly what will work in your imac and, if you want, head over to newegg and buy something cheaper (though newegg also sells crucial).
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This thread is about dancing on Facebook's grave, not Macs!
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This thread is about dancing on Facebook's grave, not Macs!
And if I care so little that I was only reminded when I saw the thread?

I have to wonder if I should just wipe my FB account... or just treat it as another /dev/null
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I've had a FB account for years, although I just use it these days for entertainment and keeping in touch with family, who are spread all over the globe..........If it wasn't for the fact that my family were so distant, I would probably bin it. Most of the groups and posts are on another planet and the FB settings are terribly confusing, even to PC savvy folks. Ditto twitter and other social medias.......I am looking at starting an old man blog
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It will float around for years and years to come as long as there is a dollar to be made from it.
It's because of Facebook that I find out about really important news. . .like the woman who stabbed the guy with the squirrel.

And that more people are attacked by cows every year, than by sharks.

This is life-altering stuff! I need to keep myself informed about things like this!

Don't take that away from me!
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I just checked, FB is still there.
I just checked, myspace is still there, geocities isn't.
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Some of it is still there. You just can't make more.
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Some of it is still there. You just can't make more.
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I think Facebook's troubles began when they embarked on a two pronged plan that A: Repeatedly made their product harder and harder to use, and B: Giving their customers less and less control over how their personal information is used. Either would leave the typical business expert scratching their head, but both would be considered suicide. However, Facebook has also managed to create a "brand" that gives them a false impression of necessity than really exists.
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