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Old 10-05-2013, 10:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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D.C. Shutdown Is Full-Speed Ahead, Say Organizers of Trucker Protest - US News and World Report
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It's rather a scary proposition they have going there:

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D.C. Shutdown Is Full-Speed Ahead, Say Organizers of Trucker Protest
'The shutdown is actually a traffic jam,' explains former country music star, who offers to cancel ride if Obama is impeached

By STEVEN NELSON
September 30, 2013

A mass truck convoy congests roadways on July 4, 2008, in Wellington, New Zealand. Some American truckers are planning a similar nationwide protest on Oct. 11-13, 2013.
There may or may not be a government shutdown in October, but truckers are heading toward Washington, D.C., regardless, aiming to shut the city down themselves.

"The shutdown is actually a traffic jam," former country music star and event organizer Zeeda Andrews told U.S. News. "This is a three-day traffic jam."

Andrews, a former spokesmodel for Mack Trucks, says around 3,000 truckers are planning to zoom through and around Washington, D.C., beginning Oct. 11.

There are two distinct issues at hand. The first is a range of frustrations experienced by independent truck drivers not employed by a large company or affiliated with a union.

But the truckers are also targeting President Barack Obama and the nation's political leadership. A list of demands addressing "corruption against our Constitution" will be delivered to lawmakers before the ride, Andrews said, and lawmakers can spare D.C.-area residents the traffic jam if they agree to them.

The hitch: one of those demands is that Obama be removed from office, a request the organizers find perfectly reasonable. Obama committed treason by allegedly funneling weapons from Benghazi, Libya, to al-Qaida-linked Syrian rebels, said online radio host Peter Santilli, who is heading up a parallel protest in California.

"Originally the sheer symbolism of the truckers riding into Washington, D.C., was powerful and a great photo opportunity, but this thing has further evolved," Santilli said.

The organizers are also upset by a 2012 provision in the National Defense Authorization Act, which authorizes the president to indefinitely detain Americans without trial, and Obama's health care reform law.

Since advertising the ride on social media, Andrews said, interest has exploded.

"Obama said last week it's my way or the highway, and the people are choosing the highway," she said. "It's viral, it's like a fire, it's burning out of control [and] people really want to help because their issues are the same as the truckers are having. ... All Americans and all truckers agree on one thing: Barack Obama is a threat to American safety."
(is she trying to take a leaf from the rhetoric of Mockingjay?)
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"But the truckers are also targeting President Barack Obama and the nation's political leadership. A list of demands addressing "corruption against our Constitution" will be delivered to lawmakers before the ride, Andrews said, and lawmakers can spare D.C.-area residents the traffic jam if they agree to them."

Don't these truckers know that driving to D.C. can be deadly these days?
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It's rather a scary proposition they have going there
The say the current President is a threat to American safety. But do they expect to be able to commit treason and lynch him on the White House lawn? This isn't Egypt. people gathering and screaming doesn't over throw a government here.

These people have no real plan. By the time they can get a good impeachment going he would be retired anyway.
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3.000 independent truck drivers agreeing on anything more substantial than "Obama! Black! House! White! "

Yeah. Right.
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This will not go well. You don't pick on a President in a city full of his biggest supporters. I bet they cancel the thing and make up a lame excuse.
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"The shutdown is actually a traffic jam," former country music star and event organizer Zeeda Andrews told U.S. News. "This is a three-day traffic jam."

Andrews, a former spokesmodel for Mack Trucks, says around 3,000 truckers are planning to zoom through and around Washington, D.C., beginning Oct. 11.
And this will be noticeably different to the average DC commuter, how?
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And this will be noticeably different to the average DC commuter, how?

More honking, bottles of urine on the side of the road, and Diesel smoke?
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Someone should thank these truckers for their generous donation of 3000 rigs. Say, what's a used rig going for these days anyway?
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3.000 independent truck drivers agreeing on anything more substantial than "Obama! Black! House! White! "

Yeah. Right.
Not everyone who doesn't like Obama doesn't like him because he's black. I personally feel he could be doing better (though perhaps not entrely his fault as it's an overwhelmingly bad situation) my mother feels the same. But we don't like him based on how we feel he's doing not on his skin color. We shouldn't really assume that's there reasoning. Not to say what their planning is right... or going to be effective...because it's not.
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Not everyone who doesn't like Obama doesn't like him because he's black. I personally feel he could be doing better (though perhaps not entrely his fault as it's an overwhelmingly bad situation) my mother feels the same. But we don't like him based on how we feel he's doing not on his skin color. We shouldn't really assume that's there reasoning. Not to say what their planning is right... or going to be effective...because it's not.
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Go to Wally World and get a cheap CB radio. Tune it to channel 19, the trucker channel.

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Not everyone who doesn't like Obama doesn't like him because he's black. I personally feel he could be doing better (though perhaps not entrely his fault as it's an overwhelmingly bad situation) my mother feels the same. But we don't like him based on how we feel he's doing not on his skin color. We shouldn't really assume that's there reasoning. Not to say what their planning is right... or going to be effective...because it's not.

I generally don't like the decisions Obama made. Couldn't care less what skin color he has. I didn't like most of the decisions Dubya made either.

If I cared at all about Obama's "race" (depending on how you define his ethnicity), it was an initial feeling of relief. I figured if we finally had a "black president", maybe everyone would shut the hell up about it already and get on with things. Maybe even stop caring about "race" altogether.

Boy, was I wrong on that account. Oh well.
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Go to Wally World and get a cheap CB radio. Tune it to channel 19, the trucker channel.

Ch 19 is about as representative of truckers as 4chan is representative of internet users.

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Madeline and Andor - I think you're missing a turn when you try to support the idea that we can't know if racism is at play, just because you two probably have reasoned arguments against Obama's policies but don't hate him for being black.

Think of the distance from the Earth to the Moon. Metaphorically, that is the distance between your criticisms of Obama and people who believe and state openly that he is a traitor, not legitimately president, not a citizen, and the one man who they believe can dismantle the nation in a few years.

When you start saying anything like that, I will point and yell "racists!" Until then, I'll point it where it belongs. And it belongs with the people we are talking about here.

Please to not defend them in a tangential defense of your own opinions of Obama. It cheapens you and supports them in a way they don't deserve.

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Madeline and Andor - I think you're missing a turn when you try to support the idea that we can't know if racism is at play, just because you two probably have reasoned arguments against Obama's policies but don't hate him for being black.

Think of the distance from the Earth to the Moon. Metaphorically, that is the distance between your criticisms of Obama and people who believe and state openly that he is a traitor, not legitimately president, not a citizen, and the one man who they believe can dismantle the nation in a few years.

When you start saying anything like that, I will point and yell "racists!" Until then, I'll point it where it belongs. And it belongs with the people we are talking about here.

Please to not defend them in a tangential defense of your own opinions of Obama. It cheapens you and supports them in a way they don't deserve.

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Ahhhh...I see what you're saying, but let me clarify. I am NOT saying that there's no such thing as racism. I also didn't say that racism isn't at play here, or that we can't know if it is.

My only point in that, and I apologize if I wasn't clear in stating it, is that not everyone who criticizes or disagrees with Obama is racially motivated.

Sadly, you are correct in that some (I have no idea how much, and I do believe there's no way to truly know how much) of that criticism is racist in nature. I've heard the comments, too, and they make me angry and sad.
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So say the benefactors of the successful lobbying of Firestone, GM, Phillips Oil, Mack Trucks, and the former Standard Oil company, after they bribed local officials in cities all across the nation to shit-can rail transportation, both freight and passenger, and replace it with trucks and buses, despite the glaring efficiency difference.

ETA: Yeah, that's a check he is handing him, while an up-righted Minneapolis street-car burns in the background. Everything old is new again.

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Diesel is like $4 a gallon right? This seems like a really expensive protest. What about a sternly worded letter?
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Not everyone who doesn't like Obama doesn't like him because he's black. I personally feel he could be doing better (though perhaps not entrely his fault as it's an overwhelmingly bad situation) my mother feels the same. But we don't like him based on how we feel he's doing not on his skin color. We shouldn't really assume that's there reasoning. Not to say what their planning is right... or going to be effective...because it's not.
"we" again. Sigh. Look, WE don't agree, so why do you continue to use that word? It's evident, you know, that you're trying very hard to portray yourself as without bias, but you're failing miserably. Are you old enough to know how long it took Reagan to recover from a recession that was born of the bills we had to pay for the Viet Nam war? And of course, they tried to blame Carter for the economy, but he handed off basically the same economy to Reagan that Ford (Nixon) left HIM. But it was all Carter's fault. See the pattern yet?
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"we" again. Sigh. Look, WE don't agree, so why do you continue to use that word? It's evident, you know, that you're trying very hard to come of as without bias, but you're failing miserably. Are you old enough to know how long it took Reagan to recover from a recession that was born of the bills we had to pay for the Viet Nam war? And of course, they tried to blame Carter for the economy, but he handed off basically the same economy to Reagan that Ford (Nixon) left HIM. But it was all Carter's fault. See the pattern yet?

Not being snarky, but I'm curious as to how that relates to the question of racism...or are you addressing another point? I might just be tired...sorry if I'm missing something, it's late here.
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I can't quantify racism, nor can any of us. The thread title doesn't mention it, which is why I didn't go there. Why am I suppose to talk about racism?

I simply pointed out that conservatives seem to expect liberals to fix the economy NOW, and that they tend to give themselves a lot more leeway. Obama was a failure before he took office, according to a lot of right-wingers. I know that you're bright, it's more than evident in your posts, so what are your feelings about this?
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But the truckers are also targeting President Barack Obama and the nation's political leadership. A list of demands addressing "corruption against our Constitution" will be delivered to lawmakers before the ride, Andrews said, and lawmakers can spare D.C.-area residents the traffic jam if they agree to them.

The hitch: one of those demands is that Obama be removed from office, a request the organizers find perfectly reasonable. Obama committed treason by allegedly funneling weapons from Benghazi, Libya, to al-Qaida-linked Syrian rebels, said online radio host Peter Santilli, who is heading up a parallel protest in California.
So they are against alleged "corruption against our Constitution", but threatening to disrupt traffic in DC unless the President is IMMEDIATELY removed from office isn't corrupt? Were they awake during the weeks it took to just impeach Clinton? On top of that, they form a ridiculous theory about Benghazi which has zero basis in fact or truth. Yeah, I bet those suffering truckers will burn lots of gas not making money on a protest that will never accomplish their stated goals. Unlike the fools on Capitol Hill, these guys will not get paid while protesting.

BTW, since they are ditching their trailers for a day, someone might get lucky and pick up some free groceries, a few dozen new flat screens, or maybe a new ride or four.
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I can't quantify racism, nor can any of us. The thread title doesn't mention it, which is why I didn't go there. Why am I suppose to talk about racism?

I simply pointed out that conservatives seem to expect liberals to fix the economy NOW, and that they tend to give themselves a lot more leeway. Obama was a failure before he took office, according to a lot of right-wingers. I know that you're bright, it's more than evident in your posts, so what are your feelings about this?

Gotcha...no relation to race. As I said...sleepy...lol.

My feelings about fixing the economy are: it's not going to be fixed anytime soon, by anyone. It didn't happen quickly, and it's not going to be fixed quickly, or without significant sacrifice. Sacrifice on everyone's part...the rich, the poor, middle-class...and the "ruling class" as well. They might have to risk their jobs to cut out some porkbellying, if they're serious about fixing things.

As for how I feel about Obama's chances before he started: I agree, I think he had an uphill battle. If Hillary is elected in 2016, she'll have an uphill battle. If Ron Paul is elected, he'll have an uphill battle. If George Washington returns from the grave and takes office, he'll have an uphill battle. I think congress is partisan to the point of being deadlocked, at this point.

I can only speak for my personal reasons: I though Obama promised too much, without discussing a lot about how he was going to accomplish things. It sounded to me like he was saying what needed to be said to appease the majority. Then again, all politicians do that...I just didn't think he was going to be the "great hope and change" he said he was going to be. But the Republicans didn't put up anyone I particularly wanted either...I just stuck with Libertarian (and even he wasn't exactly what I wanted, just closer than the other two.)

I don't think Obama is as bad as the Republican party paints him out to be. I don't think he's "unqualified" for office based on his birth location...that train's left the station by now, and it needs to be dropped. If that's the best reason to impeach him, then forget it.

Conversely, I don't think Dubya is as bad as the Democrats paint him, either. I don't miss him, though. I honestly don't know who I liked less out of the two...quite possibly, I would rank Obama over Bush Jr.

Whether or not all that makes him a "failure"....eh, not really. It means he's enacted some items, and performed some actions, I either disagree with or find objectionable. But this mess isn't all on him...far from it. But that doesn't make him a failure. He did manage to accomplish some of his goals, and since he was elected by a majority, that means he did some things the country, as a whole, wanted him to do. Just because they may not be things I want personally doesn't mark it as a failure.

Not sure if that answered your question, but I hope it at least clarifies.
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Gotcha...no relation to race. As I said...sleepy...lol.

My feelings about fixing the economy are: it's not going to be fixed anytime soon, by anyone. It didn't happen quickly, and it's not going to be fixed quickly, or without significant sacrifice. Sacrifice on everyone's part...the rich, the poor, middle-class...and the "ruling class" as well. They might have to risk their jobs to cut out some porkbellying, if they're serious about fixing things.

As for how I feel about Obama's chances before he started: I agree, I think he had an uphill battle. If Hillary is elected in 2016, she'll have an uphill battle. If Ron Paul is elected, he'll have an uphill battle. If George Washington returns from the grave and takes office, he'll have an uphill battle. I think congress is partisan to the point of being deadlocked, at this point.

I can only speak for my personal reasons: I though Obama promised too much, without discussing a lot about how he was going to accomplish things. It sounded to me like he was saying what needed to be said to appease the majority. Then again, all politicians do that...I just didn't think he was going to be the "great hope and change" he said he was going to be. But the Republicans didn't put up anyone I particularly wanted either...I just stuck with Libertarian (and even he wasn't exactly what I wanted, just closer than the other two.)

I don't think Obama is as bad as the Republican party paints him out to be. I don't think he's "unqualified" for office based on his birth location...that train's left the station by now, and it needs to be dropped. If that's the best reason to impeach him, then forget it.

Conversely, I don't think Dubya is as bad as the Democrats paint him, either. I don't miss him, though. I honestly don't know who I liked less out of the two...quite possibly, I would rank Obama over Bush Jr.

Whether or not all that makes him a "failure"....eh, not really. It means he's enacted some items, and performed some actions, I either disagree with or find objectionable. But this mess isn't all on him...far from it. But that doesn't make him a failure. He did manage to accomplish some of his goals, and since he was elected by a majority, that means he did some things the country, as a whole, wanted him to do. Just because they may not be things I want personally doesn't mark it as a failure.

Not sure if that answered your question, but I hope it at least clarifies.
You and I agree a lot more than we probably both realize, and I'm sorry for patronizing you and calling you "son" (although I'm probably a lot older than you imagine-- not that it makes a difference) in that other thread. It was uncalled for.

I've been disappointed by some of Obama's decisions too, and I think he made himself more assailable by making "Obamacare" his signature achievement, but I also think that makes him brave, because he certainly understood that it might break his candidacy and his subsequent administration. Presidents have been trying, since FDR, so it's remarkable, IMO.
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