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Old 12-30-2012, 04:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Help me find YouTube documentary series on origins of the bible

I am not very good at the Internet and need some help. Someone posted a really cool link on this forum of a series which talked about the origin of the Old Testament, how it was constructed over hundreds of years with different historical influences for the gods they were referencing, and how they were later rewritten to be one god as the Hebrews came to recognize them all as different faces of a single god.

I was talking to a very academic Jewish friend about religion and he was unaware of this documentary.

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Old 12-30-2012, 04:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sounds like Evid3nc3.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Evid3nc3/videos?view=0


I think these might be the specific videos you're looking for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPfFx9JTQl8
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Offhand, it sounds like maybe the History of God videos that were posted here sometime this year (maybe, just a guess).


Although the person doing these videos references Karen Armstrong, who wrote the book History of God, this series isn't really a summation of her book, and it has a different aim than her book.

If it's not that, though, there are a lot of good sources out there for the different theories and arguments about how Jewish scriptures and theology developed over time within its cultural and historical context. Which I'd also recommend to your friend, as it's good to see what all the various experts argue, rather than relying on just one source.

This series by Christine Hayes from Yale might also be of interest to her or him, too.

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Thanks folks. That is the one. Unfortunately i had forgotten it was wrapped in atheism wrapping paper...
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I wanted to refer a documentary about the Tankah that seemed to heavily rely on the findings of Israel Finkelstein and Neil Silberman, but either I can't find it, or I dreamed seeing it.

Which probably means that a companion piece about the New Testament, giving the views of the movement of radical criticism and the Jesus Seminar a good deal of attention, doesn't exist either. Darn it.
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Thanks folks. That is the one. Unfortunately i had forgotten it was wrapped in atheism wrapping paper...
What atheism wrapping paper? Are you sure it's not actually the complete ~lack~ of the usual "but my religion is different" wrapping that bothers you?
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What atheism wrapping paper? Are you sure it's not actually the complete ~lack~ of the usual "but my religion is different" wrapping that bothers you?
You're like a colour blind guy wearing rose coloured glasses.
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Thanks folks. That is the one. Unfortunately i had forgotten it was wrapped in atheism wrapping paper...
I know for a fact that my copy of the Torah has extended commentary on the authorship of various biblical passages and how they were eventually redacted and combined by various authors for various possible reasons (including political reasons). So it doesn't necessarily have to come witg "atheist wrapping paper".
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Jahar, that's the kind of gift wrap I'm looking for!

Actually, I had had the impression this documentary was an unbiased academic review of religious studies theories. This time around I realized that albeit being superficially dispassionate, it is in fact a retelling of one persons philosophical journey to atheism. Which is interesting, however the overarching narrative will likely impact how its received.

I had a good laugh at the related videos list... "Why religion is immoral", "God is for idiots". I'm actually more interested to see if that gets commented on when I send him the links.
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The Atheism: A History of God video is...it's not horrible, but it's not very good. For starters, he says at one point "when I had read the Bible in English, this made no sense", and my reaction is "no shit". He also makes almost no mention of the First Temple, which dramatically changes his assertion that YHVH was just "one of many deities" since he had the major Temple in Jerusalem. His description of First Temple Judaism as "pagan" is....it's incredibly simplistic. His statements about the words chanted by the Israelites as they crossed the Sea of Reeds, "Mi chamocha ba'elim adonai? Mi chamocha nedar bakodesh?" (Who is like You, Eternal One, among the gods that are worshipped? Who is like You, majestic in holiness?) are correct in how he interprets this: the Israelites were chanting about how their deity had just clearly defeated the Egyptian deities. However, this passage isn't a secret or hidden or anything, it's in every Jewish siddur (prayer book) and it's a part of every Shabbat service!

So actually no, the video doesn't come with "atheist wrapping", it comes with European Christian revisionist wrapping. Its narrator is shocked and surprised to find that a book written in Hebrew might not have been translated very well into English and that people who do not speak Hebrew and have very little understanding of Jewish history or culture might have misunderstood or misinterpreted various biblical passages.

If anything, it's an example of how some (I hope a minority) of atheists are unable to shed their European Christian cultural world-view and are completely unaware of it.

Sorry, it's just...that video....it's not offensive, just incredibly stupid, simplistic, and displays a level of understanding of biblical history on par with what might be taught in a third-grade class.
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Here's the best way I can think of to describe my reaction to that video:

Imagine how the average American woukd react to someone who says:

"Guys, Guys!!! I just read about this, you'll never believe it!!! The USA, two hundred years ago? We were a bunch of English colonies! Dude, now all that stuff in the Declaration of Independence makes sense! How do more people not know this??!?!!?"
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So actually no, the video doesn't come with "atheist wrapping", it comes with European Christian revisionist wrapping. Its narrator is shocked and surprised to find that a book written in Hebrew might not have been translated very well into English and that people who do not speak Hebrew and have very little understanding of Jewish history or culture might have misunderstood or misinterpreted various biblical passages.
Add to that deliberately mistranslated in the light of the New Testament, which was also written by a bunch of guys who couldn't read Hebrew.
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The best video series on youtube about the Bible, imo, is the Literally Genesis series by Paul Chartley

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Some men decided they wanted to be able to tell the plebs what to do so they invented an invisible man to scare them into compliance. They even wrote in that they could have slaves and that women were property. It was all very successful. Fin.
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Thanks, Jahar.

You saved me some mud in the face. Not being Raised in western religion, I didn't realize it was that poorly done.

Interesting thing about the author is that he is like the atheism version of a missionary. He created a non offensive kind of step by step instructions for Christians to make the mental leap to convert. I might still watch the whole thing for kicks.

So you guys know any references our there that talk about the origins of monotheism in the bible without atheism or or religious zealotry? Or am I going to have to visit a library?
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Thanks, Jahar.

You saved me some mud in the face. Not being Raised in western religion, I didn't realize it was that poorly done.

Interesting thing about the author is that he is like the atheism version of a missionary. He created a non offensive kind of step by step instructions for Christians to make the mental leap to convert. I might still watch the whole thing for kicks.

So you guys know any references our there that talk about the origins of monotheism in the bible without atheism or or religious zealotry? Or am I going to have to visit a library?
I suspect a trip to the library to consult something like The Oxford Bible Commentary might be an idea, though it looks as if you can get a free 30 day trial subscription* to the Oxford Biblical Studies Online resources.

*Looks like the free offer is just for institutions.
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Thanks, Jahar.

You saved me some mud in the face. Not being Raised in western religion, I didn't realize it was that poorly done.

Interesting thing about the author is that he is like the atheism version of a missionary. He created a non offensive kind of step by step instructions for Christians to make the mental leap to convert. I might still watch the whole thing for kicks.

So you guys know any references our there that talk about the origins of monotheism in the bible without atheism or or religious zealotry? Or am I going to have to visit a library?
Yeah, the History of God video is definitely polemic. And that's fine--there's a time and place for that, but my hunch was right that I didn't think that's what you and your friend was looking for.

The History of God book by Karen Armstrong is basically the history of the development of monotheism in the Abrahamic religions, and though it's written for a popular audience, it's based on pretty solid scholarship. She does have her own slight polemics surface at times in the book, but it's pretty well regarded and neutral at heart, and is really nothing like that person's video of the same name.

The origins of monotheism in the Hebrew bible is a complex topic really, with different competing explanations for how and why it occurred (some think it had to do with Zoroastrianism either via the Persians or perhaps later through Greek influence, or that it had to do with the Exile period, or something to do with the Jewish monarchy, etc.). It's really not clear cut, other than to say at some later point, a group or class of ancient Israelites added a strong veneer of monotheistic belief to the sacred writings of the Jewish peoples (in reaction to external events, or internal divisions, or ?), that over the long run became the dominant view.

The second video I posted above gives a very brief, but good, overview of the subject. I'd recommend watching it (there's a whole series from her class, too on youtube). But to explore the topic further I think looking into good books on the subject would be more fruitful than a video or brief internet article, personally

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