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**bronxelf** · 09-22-2012, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dancien Graves

I have this idea. I believe in Freedom of Speech. However, when you decide to say something that is clearly this ignorant and mean you should also have to publish your address and full name.

Civilized speech will happen.

Sadly it will also stop a lot of legitimate governmental criticism. Because just because we have a Constitution doesn't mean our own government has any interest in following it.

Jahar Aabye · 09-22-2012, 05:05 AM

Best way to discourage excessive advertising: make your stations look and feel like catacombs:

Kara Spengler · 09-22-2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

Amid protests over anti-Islam film, ads calling Muslim radicals 'savages' to go up in 10 New York subway stations - NY Daily News

That case is being cited in a similar one for the DC metro as well.

Kara Spengler · 09-22-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rory Patrick

Why would the MTA allow this? Lets attract the terrorist TO our trains.

I assume their advertising rules are like the ones for the WMATA here.Advertising is contracted out to an outside company. There are very few things they will reject if you have the money for the add and they are things like lying or slander. Basically stuff that could get them sued. Taste and good sense do not enter into the equation.

In the article I read about the DC case it cited anti-Obama ads that were hung up that told him to go to hell. It was obviously slanted but was free speech.

Kara Spengler · 09-22-2012, 08:33 AM

Group sues Metro for postponing anti-jihad ads amid global protests | WashingtonExaminer.com

Kara Spengler · 09-22-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jahar Aabye

Best way to discourage excessive advertising: make your stations look and feel like catacombs:

Although we get all that and advertising too!

The do-nothing 'workers' and a system that constantly breaks down and blames passengers is just a bonus.

edit: Remember folks, the tagline is 'America's Subway' here in DC ... makes you want to move to this country right?

Innula Zenovka · 09-22-2012, 10:20 AM

I don't quite understand. How do you get from

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

to

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The MTA has to run a particular advert

Clearly there is a connection but I don't see what it is.

**Sredni Eel** · 09-22-2012, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bronxelf

Here's a shot taken in Brooklyn at Nostrand Avenue to illustrate:

note the bevel on the front car. Once that bevel is removed there's only a couple inches of clearance between the wall and the train. Though you could physically fit an ad there, it's not worth it- it would be both black and torn from the air pressure of arriving and departing trains within days.

Well nobody said BART isn't run by retarded monkeys, because we do have ads on the wall shown to the right of the train above.

Romana · 09-22-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Innula Zenovka

I don't quite understand. How do you get from to Clearly there is a connection but I don't see what it is.

Perhaps it's the same twisted logic that allowed the Supreme Court to decide that corporations are people and therefore entitled to free speech, etc., thereby giving free reign to the super-PACs.

I don't know where the people behind these ads live, but I'd guess it isn't. NY (or anywhere they'd have to ride the mass transit they're afflicting).
Or maybe they view the people who may become victims of violence because of this as either casualties of war our mattes to their cause?

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Richie Waves · 09-22-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jahar Aabye

Best way to discourage excessive advertising: make your stations look and feel like catacombs:

[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/L%27Enfant_Plaza_upper_level%2C_facing_outbound.jp g

[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/GalleryPlChinatown.png/558px-GalleryPlChinatown.png

That's impressive looking. Though, my eyes nearly fell from my head in the canary wharf station last weekend. I find myself somewhat obsessed with the london underground now.

One of my Favorite things in london.

**bronxelf** · 09-22-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Innula Zenovka

I don't quite understand. How do you get from to Clearly there is a connection but I don't see what it is.

The MTA is not privately funded. It has to give all protected speech equal time.

**bronxelf** · 09-22-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sredni Eel

Well nobody said BART isn't run by retarded monkeys, because we do have ads on the wall shown to the right of the train above.

IN NYC there is often no wall to the right, as it's a central platform with the downtown tracks on the other side.

ETA: there are stations where ads exist on the near side of the platform. But those are easy to get to and tear down.

detrius · 09-22-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bronxelf

Here's a shot taken in Brooklyn at Nostrand Avenue to illustrate:

Those trains really haven't changed much in the past decades.

David Shire - The Taking of Pelham 123 (HD Score Video) - YouTube

**bronxelf** · 09-22-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by detrius

Those trains really haven't changed much in the past decades.

David Shire - The Taking of Pelham 123 (HD Score Video) - YouTube

Actually they have, far more than you'd think. The trains are quite different than they were when I was a kid (when the original version of that film was released.) It really depends largely on what line you're on. Since you mentioned that film, the Pelham (which would be a 6 train) looks like this now:

detrius · 09-22-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bronxelf

Actually they have, far more than you'd think. The trains are quite different than they were when I was a kid (when the original version of that film was released.) It really depends largely on what line you're on. Since you mentioned that film, the Pelham (which would be a 6 train) looks like this now:

It's still quite recognizable.

But TBH, I was merely looking for an excuse to post that music video.

The theme is just too awesome, and I love that movie!

Kara Spengler · 09-22-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jahar Aabye

Best way to discourage excessive advertising: make your stations look and feel like catacombs:

Wait! How did L'enfant Plaza get so much light?

Jahar Aabye · 09-22-2012, 10:23 PM

Good question, I thought all of the photos were brighter than I remembered. It's been years, but I always think of a lot of those metro stations as dark caves, with ceilings arching into the dark gloom. I'm actually surprised no one has bothered using them in the off-hours to shoot horror movies.

detrius · 09-22-2012, 10:56 PM

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The Canary Wharf tube station is a two platform station designed by Norman Foster and opened in 1999 as part of the Jubilee Line Extension from Charing Cross to Stratford. Canary Wharf station has increasingly become one of the busiest stations on the network, serving the ever-expanding Canary Wharf business district.

The station was used as a location for some scenes of Danny Boyle's 2002 film 28 Days Later and its sequel 28 Weeks Later which was mostly based in Canary Wharf.

Canary Wharf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**Jolene Benoir** · 09-22-2012, 11:09 PM

For some reason the link wouldn't load for me, but I don't understand how the MTA was FORCED to accept these ads?

On our transit here, business ads are displayed on the exterior of buses, and at shelters, as well as at light rail shelters, the inside is mostly devoted to "how-to" information about the usage of the system.

Aren't they allowed to decide what ads will be run?

**bronxelf** · 09-23-2012, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolene Benoir

For some reason the link wouldn't load for me, but I don't understand how the MTA was FORCED to accept these ads?

On our transit here, business ads are displayed on the exterior of buses, and at shelters, as well as at light rail shelters, the inside is mostly devoted to "how-to" information about the usage of the system.

Aren't they allowed to decide what ads will be run?

Not really.

The problem with the MTA is it's in large part funded by taxpayer money.

I think the problem is:

The ads represent protected speech under the first amendment to the Constitution. For the MTA to say no would be a violation, under the notion that the government was limiting Constitutionally protected speech. Apparently the ads don't fall well enough into the realm of "hate speech" (which at least would have a shot at being prevented), and further, these ads are apparently (a little fuzzy on this) a response to some *other* ads that were already put up previously. So to put those ads up, but deny these really creates a problem for the MTA.

If I see any in person I will gladly take a photo, but since they're station ads, and not train ads, it's all a matter of my stumbling into one on my way somewhere.

**bronxelf** · 09-23-2012, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by detrius

Canary Wharf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gotta say, the Canary Wharf station is pretty damned cool. My reaction to seeing it the first time was "Oh wow. This is really nifty."

Jopsy Pendragon · 09-23-2012, 04:50 AM

Riiiight. Because name-calling and telling people to take sides in an escalating conflict is such a 'civilized' approach to the situation.

*sigh*

Darkley · 09-23-2012, 05:37 AM

london underground

Brianna Ort · 09-23-2012, 06:16 AM

For some reason my commute via automobile to go work in a cave is looking a bit more cheery than I thought it was.

Kara Spengler · 09-23-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jahar Aabye

Good question, I thought all of the photos were brighter than I remembered. It's been years, but I always think of a lot of those metro stations as dark caves, with ceilings arching into the dark gloom. I'm actually surprised no one has bothered using them in the off-hours to shoot horror movies.

They might be old shots. I seem to recall scissor trucks to replace bulbs all the time in the 90s now they are a rarity. They were cleaning and changing bulbs at Rosslyn the other day for a staged visit by their CEO though (Look! He deigns to grace passengers with his presence so he must be okay!).

Metro pretty much does not allow films to be shot in there. Which is why you will see some really strange stuff (like stations next to each other that are on opposite sides of the city) when a film purports to use that as a location.

I am guessing it would just be bad PR for them to show the world what commuters see every day.

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Jahar Aabye Script Kitty Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Between our dreams and actions, lies this world Posts: 7,998 SL Join Date: 2/16/2007 Business: Black Operations Client: Singularity	Good question, I thought all of the photos were brighter than I remembered. It's been years, but I always think of a lot of those metro stations as dark caves, with ceilings arching into the dark gloom. I'm actually surprised no one has bothered using them in the off-hours to shoot horror movies.

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Jolene Benoir Senior Member *SLU Supporter* Peaceful Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,839 My Mood: SL Join Date: 2007	For some reason the link wouldn't load for me, but I don't understand how the MTA was FORCED to accept these ads? On our transit here, business ads are displayed on the exterior of buses, and at shelters, as well as at light rail shelters, the inside is mostly devoted to "how-to" information about the usage of the system. Aren't they allowed to decide what ads will be run?

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Jopsy Pendragon Particle Laboratory Elf Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hillcrest, San Diego, USA Posts: 5,549 My Mood: SL Join Date: Jan 15 2004 Business: Light Sorcery	Riiiight. Because name-calling and telling people to take sides in an escalating conflict is such a 'civilized' approach to the situation. sigh

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