MissKillian Barbosa

I just saw this and had to share.. All the "Homosexuality is Abomination" people who quote bible the make me puke because most, if not all are hippocrites.

Here are more abominations..

1. Eating shellfish
2. Wearing clothes made of more than one fabric
3.Getting raped
4. Trimming your beard or sideburns
5. Getting remarried
6. Planting more than one crop in a field
7. Having a wet dream
8. Eating rare meat
9. Touching a dead animal
10. Menstruating and/or earning your “red wings"




and..

11. Wearing a tattoo.. any tattoo, but especially a tattoo quoting Leviticus 18:22 that forbids Homosexuality On your arm, but Leviticus 19:28 Forbids Tattoos

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Roxanne Blue

They are not exactly big on logic, either.

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Wrong Weatherwax

Oh man, I only wish it was so easy. Tattoos proclaiming the idiocy of an individual could be something of a boon. Anyone remember Snow Crash?

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Rock Chick

Screw you Wrong, you beat me to it!

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Jopsy Pendragon

Seriously, if someone feels compelled to tattoo that on themselves... I can only assume it's a reminder to themselves not to 'accidentally fall onto someone else's cock'.

Rock Chick

For me, it's a reminder to have nothing to do with them!

Isabeau Imako

12. Not giving a thank you wave when someone stops to let you cut into their lane.


No? Well it shoud be!





I just looked up ''getting your red wings''. Not that I didn't understand the concept, just never heard it expressed that way.



Also, is raping an abomination, too? Or is it only getting raped?

Jahar Aabye

I was going to give the stock answer that it's a book written in a time when women were not thought to have their own agency, and were considered property of their husband rather than independent human beings. But I'm not sure that's necessarily the entire story. Sarah, Rebekah, Ruth, and Esther come to mind as biblical figures who don't fit this mold, and who were known for stepping in when their husbamds were being idiots or even just outright lying to them when it was necessary.

That being said, there is an undeniable train of thought throughout the bible where childbearing was a central aspect of a woman's existence. Surrogate mothers are mentioned often, usually servant girls who were impregnated when the man's wofe couldn't conceive. Hagar was probably raped by Abraham, and while the servamts of Jacob's wives are depicted as being willing and complicit (since any children they bore would be considered their mistress's children), that's also debatable.

Then there's Lot's plea when the townsfolk of Sodom were banging on his door demanding him to send out the pilgrims he was hosting so that they could rape them, and Lot responds that the townsfolk should take his daughters instead. I suspect (but canot prove) that this was supposed to be hyperbole (later events make it obvious that his daughters were not the virgins he claimed), but the idea is clear that while it's his duty to protect guests under his roof, his daughters were considered his property and thus his right to grant consent to have sex with them.

Oddly enough, men didn't necessarily have full consent over sex and pregnancy either. Onan was commamded to sleep with his brother's childless wife after his brother's death. He was supposed to give her the children that his brother was unable to give, but he refused and pulled out, which was considered sinful.

So the answer is that the biblical concept of rape as we think of it today did not exist, in part because sex-as-procreation was viewed very differently, in which neither gender may have had the full right to say no (although obviously this had a far greater impact on women, especially in an age without obstetricians when childbirth was far more dangerous). Under those circumstances, "rape" would have had less to do with consent than being about who was supposed to reproduce with whom.

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Isabeau Imako

So, getting raped would mean having sex and bringing forth children from someone you should NOT be having sex or children with? But, who is the rapist then? and why would that not be thought of as an abomination? Which comes back to my question/comment about getting raped vs raping. I'm pretty sure there is no good answer, or one that would make sense to me, since I eat shellfish. Also, menstruation is not foreign to me.

Eris

This is covered in Deuteronomy 22:23-29, and it's complicated, and somewhat open to interpretation, and translation. It has sometimes been interpreted that a rape victim is as responsible as the rapist, but that's not really what the text says. Consensual sex between a betrothed virgin is treated exactly as adultery. In the case of the rape of a betrothed virgin, the victim is held blameless.

The messed up part is the rape of an unbetrothed virgin. She is forced to marry her rapist, and they cannot divorce. The rapist has to pay her father 50 pieces of silver for degrading her.

Isabeau Imako

So, raping isn't an abomination so much as a transaction, or a simple faux pas.

Thanks. I haven't read the bible since highschool, and I think we must have skipped those parts... Religion isn't my forte.

Argent Stonecutter

Isn't that what _most_ tattoos say?

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considering the rates these days, I'd have thought they all said "money to burn"

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Jahar Aabye

Nah, not if you consider the cost of the tattoo spread out over the many years that you'll have it. Besides, they're not that expensive for a small tattoo with black ink. Granted, that one with the bible verse that's practically a full sleeve had to have been a couple hundred dollars.