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detrius · 08-11-2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Richie Waves

haha stolen from reddit:

Paul Ryan on Ayn Rand:
Audio Surfaces of Paul Ryan's Effusive Love of Ayn Rand - Politics - The Atlantic Wire
"I just want to speak to you a little bit about Ayn Rand and what she meant to me in my life and [in] the fight we’re engaged here in Congress. I grew up on Ayn Rand, that’s what I tell people."
"I grew up reading Ayn Rand and it taught me quite a bit about who I am and what my value systems are, and what my beliefs are."
"It’s inspired me so much that it’s required reading in my office for all my interns and my staff. We start with Atlas Shrugged. People tell me I need to start with The Fountainhead then go to Atlas Shrugged [laughter]. There’s a big debate about that. We go to Fountainhead, but then we move on, and we require Mises and Hayek as well."
"But the reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand."
"And when you look at the twentieth-century experiment with collectivism—that Ayn Rand, more than anybody else, did such a good job of articulating the pitfalls of statism and collectivism—you can’t find another thinker or writer who did a better job of describing and laying out the moral case for capitalism than Ayn Rand."
"It’s so important that we go back to our roots to look at Ayn Rand’s vision, her writings, to see what our girding, under-grounding [sic] principles are."
"Because there is no better place to find the moral case for capitalism and individualism than through Ayn Rand’s writings and works."
And some video: Paul Ryan on Ayn Rand - YouTube
^ Ryan: "I think a lot of people would observe that we are right now living in an Ayn Rand novel, metaphorically speaking.
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Ayn Rand, more than anyone else, did a fantastic job of explaining the morality of capitalism, the morality of individualism."
And then, apparently, Ryan discovered she was an atheist: Ryan Shrugged - Robert Costa - National Review Online
“I reject her philosophy,” Ryan says firmly. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,” who believed that man needs divine help in the pursuit of knowledge. “Don’t give me Ayn Rand,” he says.

To quote an episode from Michele Bachmann's life:

Bachmann grew up in a Democratic family, but she says she became a Republican during her senior year at Winona State. She told the Minneapolis Star Tribune that she was reading Gore Vidal's 1973 novel, Burr: "He was kind of mocking the Founding Fathers and I just thought, I just remember reading the book, putting it in my lap, looking out the window and thinking, 'You know what? I don't think I am a Democrat. I must be a Republican.'"
Michele Bachmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Republicans seem to be easily swayed by works of fiction.

Han Held · 08-11-2012, 08:10 AM

Seriously, I have no fucking idea how you can read a single book by Ayn Rand and not know she was an atheist.

Kara Spengler · 08-11-2012, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Eunoli Rain

Oh, wow. Not a joke. He's announcing it now. I bet they're drinking champagne at the White House.

Wait! Is that a ship? Unless it is a museum why would he have that?

**Joshua Nightshade** · 08-11-2012, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Han Held

Seriously, I have no fucking idea how you can read a single book by Ayn Rand and not know she was an atheist.

Seriously, I have no fucking idea how you can read a single book by Ayn Rand.

Kara Spengler · 08-11-2012, 08:12 AM

Ah, the USS Wisconsin so is a museum.

detrius · 08-11-2012, 08:14 AM

Paul Ryan on Glenn Beck 4/5/2011 - YouTube

**Eunoli Rain** · 08-11-2012, 08:15 AM

Oh, to be a fly on the wall of AARP today...

Seriously, this almost seems like they are just engineering a loss. If there's one really good thing this will do its energize the senior citizen vote to come out and vote for President Obama.

They are seriously using the idea of environmental protection as a "bad" thing in speeches introducing this guy. Its like a caricature of the Republican Party.

Innula Zenovka · 08-11-2012, 08:19 AM

BBC News - Republican Romney names Paul Ryan as running mate

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The BBC's North America Editor Mark Mardell says the decision is a bold and ideological choice.

I don't think that's necessarily a recommendation.

Unless, maybe, the idea is that it allows Romney to go after the the undecided voters whose support he must gain, while Mr Ryan can reassure the party faithful that Romney might have to say various things to appeal to voters who aren't already committed Republicans but his presence on the ticket ensures that a President Romney wouldn't stray too far from conservatism while in office. Meanwhile, I suppose, Romney can reassure doubters that the incumbent of a post once held by people like Spiro T Agnew and J Danforth Quayle can't do too much real damage.

Kara Spengler · 08-11-2012, 08:21 AM

Romney is actually praising VA's governor? I think I will throw up.

He just made it official about Ryan.

Richie Waves · 08-11-2012, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Han Held

Seriously, I have no fucking idea how you can read a single book by Ayn Rand ~~and not know she was an atheist.~~

fixed

Kara Spengler · 08-11-2012, 08:25 AM

Oh fun, Romney just reminded us. Ryan is a Catholic.

While most people could care less to their religious base that is almost as controversial as his being a Mormon!

Kara Spengler · 08-11-2012, 08:27 AM

LOL .... talking about protecting social security and fixing health care.

detrius · 08-11-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Eunoli Rain

They are seriously using the idea of environmental protection as a "bad" thing in speeches introducing this guy. Its like a caricature of the Republican Party.

Teeny Leviathan · 08-11-2012, 08:28 AM

Romney can kiss Florida goodbye. You don't threaten Social Security and survive in Florida.

Asher Bertrand · 08-11-2012, 08:36 AM

In introducing Ryan, Romney called him the "next president of the United States."

So much for using that soundbite for election materials.

Teeny Leviathan · 08-11-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Asher Bertrand

In introducing Ryan, Romney called him the "next president of the United States."

So much for using that soundbite for election materials.

Ryan is the right guy to occupy the White House after President Palin.

**Brenda Archer** · 08-11-2012, 08:43 AM

This actually confirms my suspicion that the Republicans want to lose, and then do all the dirty work through Congress. The stupid part of the voting public doesn't seem to understand much about what Congress does. Those voters seem to think we live in a dictatorship controlled by the President - a viewpoint the right wing talking heads encourage. It's a perfect set up for getting away with more lying to the base and more obstructionism.

Kara Spengler · 08-11-2012, 08:43 AM

Now the USA chants start ...

**Cristiano** · 08-11-2012, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Teeny Leviathan

Romney can kiss Florida goodbye. You don't threaten Social Security and survive in Florida.

Not only Social Security, but Medicare, which Ryan wants to turn into a big coupon program.

**Cristiano** · 08-11-2012, 09:05 AM

Short of nominating Marcus Bachmann, this has to be the best news I've heard in awhile. People already think Romney is an out of touch asshole douchebag. So what does he do? He adds someone just as smarmy who has laid out very clear policy plans to cut support for the poor and middle class, while helping the rich and the military industrial complex. Even the Catholic Church, that bastion of corruption and greed has come out against Ryan's plan as being completely fucked up (I am paraphrasing). Good times.

Monica Weir · 08-11-2012, 09:39 AM

Time for this again

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Isablan Neva · 08-11-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Han Held

Seriously, I have no fucking idea how you can read a single book by Ayn Rand and not know she was an atheist.

Oh, come on. We're talking about the same people who can read the bible and completely ignore everything Jesus said.

**Joshua Nightshade** · 08-11-2012, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Isablan Neva

Oh, come on. We're talking about the same people who can read the bible and completely ignore everything Jesus said.

Christianity and Ayn Rand are pretty incompatible with one another.

Isablan Neva · 08-11-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Christianity and Ayn Rand are pretty incompatible with one another.

Not the type of Christianity the religious right practices. They're from the branch of "God helps those who help themselves."

**Joshua Nightshade** · 08-11-2012, 09:47 AM

Objectivism is religion hostile. Ayn Rand was an outspoken atheist at a time where such a thing was hardly discussed, let alone bragged about. I'm not entirely sure why you're associating the two groups together.

The religious right cares more about "morals" and controlling women than they do Objectivist-esque "fend for yourselves." That's why Ryan had to disavow spooging for her later on.

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Kara Spengler genderqueer Hail Woz, the great and powerful! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: DC Posts: 7,529 SL Join Date: March, 2006 Client: Phoenix & Firestorm	Ah, the USS Wisconsin so is a museum.

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Eunoli Rain Senior Member *SLU Supporter* Not eating peas Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Shady Falls Posts: 2,075	Oh, to be a fly on the wall of AARP today... Seriously, this almost seems like they are just engineering a loss. If there's one really good thing this will do its energize the senior citizen vote to come out and vote for President Obama. They are seriously using the idea of environmental protection as a "bad" thing in speeches introducing this guy. Its like a caricature of the Republican Party.

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Kara Spengler genderqueer Hail Woz, the great and powerful! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: DC Posts: 7,529 SL Join Date: March, 2006 Client: Phoenix & Firestorm	Romney is actually praising VA's governor? I think I will throw up. He just made it official about Ryan.

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Kara Spengler genderqueer Hail Woz, the great and powerful! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: DC Posts: 7,529 SL Join Date: March, 2006 Client: Phoenix & Firestorm	Oh fun, Romney just reminded us. Ryan is a Catholic. While most people could care less to their religious base that is almost as controversial as his being a Mormon!

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Kara Spengler genderqueer Hail Woz, the great and powerful! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: DC Posts: 7,529 SL Join Date: March, 2006 Client: Phoenix & Firestorm	LOL .... talking about protecting social security and fixing health care.

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Teeny Leviathan 10 F***n' Years! Impertinent, ill-nurtured, hedge-pig* Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,912 SL Join Date: 05/20/2003	Romney can kiss Florida goodbye. You don't threaten Social Security and survive in Florida.

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Brenda Archer Tired *SLU Supporter* Watery Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Portland Posts: 7,419 My Mood: SL Join Date: 4/28/2005 Blog Entries: 4	This actually confirms my suspicion that the Republicans want to lose, and then do all the dirty work through Congress. The stupid part of the voting public doesn't seem to understand much about what Congress does. Those voters seem to think we live in a dictatorship controlled by the President - a viewpoint the right wing talking heads encourage. It's a perfect set up for getting away with more lying to the base and more obstructionism.

08-11-2012, 08:43 AM	#43 (permalink)
Kara Spengler genderqueer Hail Woz, the great and powerful! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: DC Posts: 7,529 SL Join Date: March, 2006 Client: Phoenix & Firestorm	Now the USA chants start ...

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Cristiano Hive Mind Director Amish Mafia 4EVER Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 23,277 My Mood: SL Join Date: Dec 2002 Business: ANOmations Client: Viewer 2 Blog Entries: 18	Short of nominating Marcus Bachmann, this has to be the best news I've heard in awhile. People already think Romney is an out of touch asshole douchebag. So what does he do? He adds someone just as smarmy who has laid out very clear policy plans to cut support for the poor and middle class, while helping the rich and the military industrial complex. Even the Catholic Church, that bastion of corruption and greed has come out against Ryan's plan as being completely fucked up (I am paraphrasing). Good times.

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Joshua Nightshade Lustful Cockmonster *SLU Supporter* Unedited Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 51,807 My Mood: SL Join Date: October 2004 Blog Entries: 1	Objectivism is religion hostile. Ayn Rand was an outspoken atheist at a time where such a thing was hardly discussed, let alone bragged about. I'm not entirely sure why you're associating the two groups together. The religious right cares more about "morals" and controlling women than they do Objectivist-esque "fend for yourselves." That's why Ryan had to disavow spooging for her later on.

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