Cristiano

Today was a very good day:

Mitt Romney Just Made Rush Limbaugh's Head Explode | Crooks and Liars

Ann Coulter Melts Down on Hannity's Show Over RomneyCare | Crooks and Liars

Priceless reactions.

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Brenda Archer

One of the comments basically says that the only thing that will keep Obama from being elected will be voting machine fraud.

Well, that's possible. It won't be because the extremists in the Republican party have any dignity left.

Jolene Benoir

Coupled with their attempts over the last year or so of taking voters off the rolls by changing voter id laws in over a dozen states. They won't have to use fraud if they're able to disenfranchise voters. Almost invariably the people affected would be potential democrat voters.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...voter-id-laws/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...elections-2012

Clip....

Studies have repeatedly shown that in-person voter fraud is exceedingly rare. It's so unlikely, in fact, that last month Pennsylvania had to stipulate in a case over the constitutionality of its voter ID law that it had never actually prosecuted anyone for in-person voter fraud and had no evidence that in-person voter fraud had ever happened in the state.

But the kind of people who are least likely to have proper state identification — young people, African Americans, Latinos and the poor — are more likely to vote for Democratic voters. Critics say that the wave of new voter ID laws that have gone on the books since the 2010 midterm elections, when Republicans won state legislatures around the country, are meant to dampen turnout for Democrats.

Aliselia Aeon

An interactive map showing states in which there are attempts at voter suppression:

Interactive Map: Voter Suppression by State | Care2 Causes


Also:
Resources | Fair Elections Legal Network

Scroll down and find your state and click on it. It shows the actions being taken to suppress voting.

This is an interesting site to do some reading:
http://www.fairelectionsnetwork.com/resources

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Void

this is better than watching (from a safe distance) the train wreck that generally follows the words "hey bubba, watch this".... self destruction at it's funniest...

they could run a whole new ad just on the reactions...

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detrius

Okay, so let me get this straight:

Bain Capital (run by Romney) took over that steel plant in 1993.

After that, between 1993 and 2001, GST Steel got into debt ($553.9 million in debts against $395.2 million in assets) while Bain Capital made a profit of $58.4 million. So it would be correct to say Bain Capital ran the company against a wall, right? They also took $44 million out of the workers' pension funds - the company had about 4500 employees, so that's $10,000 (plus the husband's salary) the Soptics didn't have when the woman got sick and died of cancer because they couldn't afford health insurance after she lost her job in 2003, so they didn't find out about the disease until it was too late? And the Republicans are now whining because this makes it look like Romney killed that woman?

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Jopsy Pendragon

Man I wish Coulter, Rush, O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck and the rest of them could be wired up with those electric anti-bark collars.

Something that zaps them good and hard every time they repeat a lie, inject some unsubstantiated smear, engage in 'concern trolling' or manufactured outrage... and anytime they quote gossip as a reliable source.

After a few minutes you wouldn't be able to see them through the cloud of smoke.

Ariane

This must be the inevitable move to the center that every candidate must do to get the all important independent voters. Romney knows that if all he got was Republican votes, he would lose.

Health care and health care insurance is a big deal to the independents. They are all over the board on what should be done, but the consensus among independents is that Obamacare is better than nothing, which is what the GOP is offering. Repealing Obamacare will sell in the GOP primary, but in the general election, it is a loser.

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Cindy Claveau

I tried to watch the Coulter clip. I honestly tried. But the sound of Hannity's smarmy, pseudo-informed voice just makes my grip on the desk go white-knuckle. Then, throw in Coulter, whose voice kept going up and up and higher until she was breaking glass with her shrillness and I just gave up.

I feel so dirty now. I tried to explain to my brother why Coulter is nothing but a whack-job ideologue but he apparently agrees with her. I told him I was starting legal process to put myself up for adoption so I could change families.

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Cindy Claveau

Kansas now has a voter ID law which will require me to show my driver's license at the polls in November.

It isn't the logistics of the issue - I show my ID for prescriptions and to cash checks too - it's just so unnecessary. I vote at the church up the street and the people who work the polls are personal friends of mine. They know me on sight. When Sec State Kris Kobach (co-framer of the Arizona Immigration law) wrote the legislation, a LOT of Kansans were holding up their hands saying "But but we don't HAVE a voter fraud problem?" (Not even a handful of cases in the last election statewide)

Oh, guess what? Voter ID laws are politically self-serving:

Voter ID Supporter: Republicans Push Them For Political Reasons

Richie Waves

Let them talk. They destroy credibility.

Ann Launay

Romney: Obama waging war on religion

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Rosemaery Lorefield

WTF???
That ad made no sense to me but really? Romney? You are trying to convince Catholics that you are all concerned about them? Yah....

I think Romney may have written this ad himself, or his PR people are just as inept at behaving like people as he is.

Cindy Claveau

Romney would be well advised to leave religion out of the discussion. The last thing he wants is to remind all those fundamentalist evangelicals that he's a Mormon.

Jack Belvedere

Yeah, pretty much.



The Real Romney Record: GST Steel

Polo

I've been reading comments by the author of this post for enough years to be confident that it is completely sincere.


But I just want to post this reminder that a LOT of the posts we'll be seeing in coming months that say basically there's no way Obama can lose, will be posted by those who very much desire that Obama will lose.

The hope is that those who would prefer to see Obama win will see so many of the 'Obama can't lose' messages that they will conclude: hey, I'm gonna try to get out and vote, but even if I don't, it won't matter, because Obama will win anyway.


We'd be wise to remember that huge numbers of voters ARE NOT PAYING ANY ATTENTION WHATSOEVER to what Romney says or to what Obama says, let alone to the self-contradictions and gaffes of the likes of Rush or Ann Coulter or Hannity or any other pro-Romney people. These voters are not outraged. They are not inspired to prevent a GOP presidency. They are not appalled by the hypocrisy......because they are not paying attention.

These are the voters who will wake up on November 6 and say 'hmm, the economy really IS in the shithouse...guess I'll go vote for a change.'

These are the voters who might well put Romney into the White House. And we shouldn't be complacent* about the possibility.


*please note that I'm NOT accusing Brenda or anyone else of being complacent; I'm just saying we should take some thought when we feel the impulse to post any variant on 'Obama can't lose,' no matter how strongly we want to believe that that's true.

Lianne Marten

I like that they are calling for President Obama to take the ad down.

It's a Super PAC ad. He legally can do nothing about it whatsoever.

Meanwhile there are dozens of Romney endorsed ads that are full of misquotes, misinformation, or outright lies and no one says shit about them.

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Baltha

Brenda did only say that it was possible, but it is so easy to get caught up in forums like this, watch cable news networks and laugh along with Stewart and Colbert that we forget that most voters are incredibly uninformed and in many cases, outright lied to.
Many will vote for Mitt because they always vote Republican, some will vote for him because they believe Fox News and some are simply racist. What worries me is that unless all of these Romney gaffes and potential scandals really hit prime time news, many will vote for him simply because the economy is bad and he isn't the incumbent.

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Cristiano

FIFY

Ishina

It's interesting how just changing one letter can make a word mean something entirely different.

Or not at all, in this case.

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Polo

Absolutely correct, and I'm glad to have the chance to repeat that I'm not trying to accuse anyone here (Brenda included) of being complacent or over-confident.

That post just offered an opportunity, as a springboard, for posting a BOLO about those who are and will continue to use dummy accounts on active forums like this one. There are GOP operatives (volunteer and otherwise) who devote time to posting "Obama can't lose!" on message boards. Their goal: to take advantage of the reality that some voters who favor Obama but are kind of lukewarm about it, will say to themselves 'all those people saying Obama can't lose must be right...no need for me to get out and vote. It'll all be okay even if I don't.'

And that's a danger because of that OTHER group: the utterly uninformed, who don't really care one way or the other about Obama or Romney...but who WILL vote out the old guy and vote in the new guy because of the price of gas (or other economic fact of life).

So we can't afford to lose the votes of the 'kinda prefer Obama' folks who may be falsely reassured through hearing, repeatedly, that Obama can't lose.

Again: I wasn't intending any spotlight on any particular poster here---it just looked like a place to jump in and discuss these groups of voters.




I agree 100%. It is hard to imagine that others aren't following all this stuff, but of course there's a certain proportion of the electorate who simply tune it all out.

Lianne Marten

Innula Zenovka

What is Ann Coulter for? I mean, does she have a personal following in the way Rush Limbaugh does?

I ask because, were I running for electoral office, no matter how right-wing my platform, I wouldn't particularly want her to pop up on people's TV sets too often in my support, because I think she'd just scare undecided voters and probably annoy too many of my potential supporters because she reminds them of that woman at work they can't stand.

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Maggiedoll Alter

Will it really matter in the face of their hatred for Obama?

(That's an actual question. I didn't realize until somebody here said it that most people didn't consider Mormons to be Christian, so I'm not totally clear on the extent of fundie animosity towards Mormons. And the conservative Christians I've known have been distinctly atypical.)