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Old 08-05-2012, 01:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Shooting at Wisconsin Sikh Temple, As Many As 30 Wounded

This is a breaking story at the moment:

BREAKING: Shooting at Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, Wis.
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Old 08-05-2012, 01:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Thats terrible

How long until we hear the pro-gun brigade shouting for a ban on turbans because its turbans and not guns that are responsible.
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Old 08-05-2012, 01:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Guns don't shoot themselves.

It would be nice to wait and see what actually happened before commenting like a twit about turbans.
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Old 08-05-2012, 01:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
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That's horrible.



At least four shot at Sikh Temple, victims being taken out - JSOnline


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Someone who sent a text message to a Journal Sentinel reporter shortly before noon said that there were two shooters with children possibly as hostages.

And the head priest was locked inside a restroom with a cell phone and that there were as many as 20 to 30 victims.
One of the temple's committee members, Ven Boba Ri, said that based on communication with people inside the temple, the shooter was a white male in his 30s.

"We have no idea," he said of the motive. "It's pretty much a hate crime. It's not an insider."
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It looks like one of the gunmen may be dead.

(CNN) -- A shooting at Sikh temple in the Milwaukee suburb of Oak Creek, Wisconsin, on Sunday, left at least three people wounded and one gunman killed by a police officer, authorities said.


The officer was wounded but "returned fire, and that shooter was put down," said Bradley Wentlandt, the police chief in nearby Greenfield, who briefed reporters. Wentlandt called it "an ongoing and very fluid situation."
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Old 08-05-2012, 02:06 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I used to work with a Sikh veterinarian. He had the coolest sense of humor, particularly about himself. I noticed while working with him that he'd wear a different colored turban every day, and it almost always matched his necktie. I finally asked him if he had a turban for every day of the year, and he said, "Yes I do! It comes in handy when I spill food on my tie. I can just pull some off my head and make a new tie."

No idea who would want to shoot anyone. People are just going nuts more and more. Either that, or we're just noticing it more and more because of our wonderful Internet.
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They are now reporting 7 dead, including the gunman

7 dead, including gunman, in shooting at Wis. Sikh temple
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Wouldnt be surprised if it's some muppet that thought they were muslims..
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Wouldnt be surprised if it's some muppet that thought they were muslims..
Growing number of Sikh males in U.S. cutting hair, removing turbans; Some confused for being Muslim | Niraj Warikoo
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Wouldnt be surprised if it's some muppet that thought they were muslims..
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A temple committee member, Ven Boba Ri, told the Journal-Sentinel that people inside the temple described the shooter was a white male in his 30s.
"We have no idea," he said of the motive. "It's pretty much a hate crime. It's not an insider."
Ri told the Journal-Sentinel the gunman walked up to a priest who was standing outside the temple and shot him. Then he went inside and started shooting.
Gunman opens fire at Sikh temple in Wisconsin; 7 dead - U.S. News
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Old 08-05-2012, 02:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
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There's a very large Sikh community in Canada, especially in the west, but also in the Toronto area. It's pretty small compared, in the Montreal area. Anyhow, I would think cutting your hair and not wearing a turban would make the man even more 'muslim' looking.
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From the BBC report, it rather sounds to me as if there's more than one gunman, or might be; the situation appears to be continuing, even though the police think they shot an attacker, which suggests to me they fear there may be others to worry about: BBC News - 'Seven killed' in Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting
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Wouldnt be surprised if it's some muppet that thought they were muslims..
I nodded when I read this.

Then had a churn in my stomach when I realized how horrible a world we live in that there are likely some crazies or bigots out there who will think that's the only mistake in this tragedy. Comments that they "got the wrong ones" or something equally disgusting are likely going to spew over the internet at some point.
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Anyhow, I would think cutting your hair and not wearing a turban would make the man even more 'muslim' looking.
Not to the knuckle dragging fuckwits who would do them harm unfortunately.
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WTF?.......this is not news anywhere on US television except on one of the CNN channels.

NBC---full Olympic coverage on all their channels continues as of this moment. They can't be bothered to switch away for seven dead in a mass shooting.

CBS--golf. ABC--kayaking. Again, can't be bothered to cover seven dead in a mass shooting.

FOX News---a very important panel having a very important discussion about how Chick-Fil-A is being persecuted by those awful liberals. Very, very important to keep talking about that!

CNN: one channel covering, with plenty of commercial breaks, of course. Commentators spending lots of time telling us that we can ALL agree that this is NOT the time to talk about gun control, and anyway, we can ALL agree that there's no point to gun control because If A Crazy Person Wants To Kill People They Will Manage To Find a Way.

WTF? Is this because the victims are...well, not brown people, exactly, but not Real Americans (i.e. Christians) anyway....is THAT why it's not news?!?!?
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CNN: one channel covering, with plenty of commercial breaks, of course. Commentators spending lots of time telling us that we can ALL agree that this is NOT the time to talk about gun control, and anyway, we can ALL agree that there's no point to gun control because If A Crazy Person Wants To Kill People They Will Manage To Find a Way.
They also seem utterly amazed by the fact that this was a Sikh temple and not a mosque, as if that's the way it was supposed to happen, as if that would have been better.
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They also seem utterly amazed by the fact that this was a Sikh temple and not a mosque, as if that's the way it was supposed to happen, as if that would have been better.
Yes, that's exactly the kind of thing I was worried about. That we live in a world where it would "make sense" to some if it were a mosque.

Wounding and killing innocent people who are going about there business shouldn't "make sense" whether it be a movie theater or a place of worship.

I do understand the point some people might be trying to make, an attempt to find a motive in this, but it still makes me so sad.
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They also seem utterly amazed by the fact that this was a Sikh temple and not a mosque, as if that's the way it was supposed to happen, as if that would have been better.

I don't think they have any polite way to say on camera what Richie said, which in NYC language is that these ignorant, bigoted fuckwits can't even tell the fucking difference between Muslims and Sikhs, and we're all waiting to learn that this douchefuck was *trying* to target Muslims instead and managed to hit an entirely different group of people because he's EXPONENTIALLY fucking stupid.

Which Im sure is what's being said OFF camera at CNN.
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WTF?.......this is not news anywhere on US television except on one of the CNN channels.
Kinda agree with your post but in this article : Gunman kills six at Sikh Temple of Wisconsin | News.com.au

It suggests media was asked to keep it down and not publish photos until event was over. I guess see how the media portrays it tomorrow?

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Kinda agree with your post but in this article : Gunman kills six at Sikh Temple of Wisconsin | News.com.au

It suggests media was asked to keep it down and not publish photos until event was over. I guess see how the media portrays it tomorrow?
I agree that it would be absolutely legitimate for news channels to refrain from showing anything the law enforcement people asked them not to show.

But that's very different from continuing your coverage of a golf game or kayaking without so much as a crawl on the bottom of the screen to say "seven people have just been shot dead and dozens more are wounded in Oak Creek, Wisconsin."

I'm sorry to say this, but if this exact thing had happened at a church instead of at a Sikh temple, all those channels would have had at least the crawl--and most probably, would have interrupted the kayaking (etc.) coverage to cover the Wisconsin story (while refraining from showing the equipment or deployment of forces, as requested.)
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This makes me sad as hell... How can people be such nutjawbs? N' also, that cop is prolly a hero.
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and this threw me while reading it because of the former problem.
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[...]The shooter was a white male in his 30s, Ven Boba Ri, one of the temple's committee members, tells the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.[...]
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[...]Ven Boba Ri, one of the temple's committee members, tells the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel: The shooter was a white male in his 30s.[...]
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sorry but the fact that poor wording implicated the victims really got me...
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