Twisted Pharaoh

Oh nice, brainwashing now.

xfrodobagginsx

I've studied the entire Doctorate Level Theology works of Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer, called Systematic Theolgy by Lewis Sperry Chafer.

xfrodobagginsx

It's not a translation from a translation. It's translated from the existing manuscripts in the original languages.

The Catholic version contains many uninspired works, not written by the actual eyewitnesses to the events for one. For two, the translation is probably slanted to fit Catholic doctrine.

Tracer Graves

who died in 1952... (which also happens to be when the Nag Hammadi texts were discovered. ETA, actually it was 1945, still his works don't reflect their findings)

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Sredni Eel

Here's what I don't get. Fornication is a sin. Fornication is sex. Sex is what causes babies. Without fornication you cannot go forth and multiply.

If you give me the tired line that fornication is sex that produces no children, BZZT you lose. Not all sex produces offspring, even if you're trying. Therefore, people (who may actually be trying to have kids and cannot) are sinning before God for "fornication".

Yeah. Still not buying this God fellow.

This pretty song much sums things up for me:

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Tracer Graves

So you recognize slant in Catholic translations, but no other? Also, this is coming from someone who believes the KJV bible is the best version? lol

Seyla Warden

I'm no biblical scholar and even I know this isn't true.

Gonna need some citations for this.

We've been over this, if God is all-powerful/knowing, then there is no way we can have free will if it exists. So either we have no free will, and thus God has already decided whether each of us believes in it or not (in which case it is explicitly evil, creating beings specifically to punish for believing what it made them believe) or... God is not all-powerful/knowing and each of us actually has the choice to believe in it or not.

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xfrodobagginsx

We WERE all judged in Adam when God judged him and eve. The fact is that We are guilty of sin:

Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: {for that: or, in whom}

Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

His Gift is a pardon for our sins from the one who will judge the world, Jesus Christ. He is the one who will judge. He is the one who said "I am the way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father, but by me"

Believing in Christ is obeying Him.

How can God rule over those who don't believe Him? If they won't believe Him, they must be removed from the Kingdom so that they don't corrupt it.

Sredni Eel

They weren't dead, Bunky. If you can be resuscitated, you aren't dead. It just means your heart stopped beating but your brain is still alive. For all intents and purposes, the person can *look* dead and, in fact, people without a pulse used to be buried alive. There are cases of coffins being dug up that have claw marks in the inside of the lid from people waking from such a state and panicking.

There are a number of states a human body can be in that makes the body appear dead. Even with modern medicine, sometimes people will be pronounced dead and stuck in the morgue fridge, only to wake up really cold wondering where the hell they are.

xfrodobagginsx

What is the point here?

xfrodobagginsx

But Paul's message was written to the gentiles, not the Jews.

Mocksoup Graves

That anyone can make up a bunch of shit, put it in a book and declare it 'divinely inspired' while also claiming it to be 100% factually accurate. Even when it is neither.

Seyla Warden

A dude named Vlad existed; he was not Dracula.

A dude named Jesus may have existed; he was not Jesus Son of God.

Tengu Yamabushi

I keep fixing these for you.

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Sonja Aeghin

Funny, isn't it? Considering that the Vulgate predates the KJV by more than 1200 years.

Hebrew's a funny language in that differing vowel point usage can produce different results. The first-millenium Masoretic Text, from which the KJV Old Testament was translated, reflects changes in written Hebrew from the time of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which predate the Masoretes' work by centuries.

Tracer Graves

And once again, this is what it comes down to for me:

If you can't even attempt to see my point of view, why should I attempt to see yours? The golden rule, follow it.

Sredni Eel

He just tapped Black Mana and used this card:

Tracer Graves

Speaking of the golden rule, from the very first post you've dismissed all the opinions here that don't agree with yours without consideration.

If you want us to treat your opinion with respect, I'm gonna say "you first".

Sredni Eel

Dude, someone who doesn't subscribe to Christianity is highly unlikely to "repent to Jesus" on their death bed.

Twisted Pharaoh

Okay, let's examine this Bible book:

Bible is truth right.

more?

MORE?
A List Of Biblical Contradictions

Eris

Convert on your deathbed just in case. Like Pascal's Wager. You know the omniscient creator of the universe will never see through that.

Sredni Eel

Paramedics can declare a person dead, actually.

When my buddy, Ed, rode his Harley off the side of the road and faceplanted in the dirt and barbed wire 30 feet below, we did CPR on him for 20 minutes before the first paramedics arrived. At first he was still showing signs of life (weak, very weak heartbeat), but then it was over. They cancelled the medicopter, and covered him up.

We were allowed to see him one last time, and believe me, you never want to see a man's face crushed to nothing, and blank eyes just staring at nothing, but I digress. . .

They can, indeed, pronounce a person dead, but they need to be damned sure this is the case. They do call a coroner to confirm death.

Sredni Eel

At least that wall of text was properly formatted and easy to read. You should try it sometime.

Brenda Archer

I'm no scholar of history, but there are so many things that predate Christianity and resemble pieces of it, that it becomes apparent that what we have now is syncretism modified by politics. And that's just medieval Catholicism.

Modern scholarship and archaeology give us a chance to know a lot more about what really happened when Christianity was being formed, than people knew in the 19th century. So when someone comes along and demands I believe in a version of Christianity that dates from that period and the more ignorant first half of the 20th century (and which even by the standards of the time could be considered heretical) I have to wonder.

Fundamentalist dualism of the fundie-american type makes no sense on any level except as a contrived justification for a society based on inequality and punishment. That was the political matrix that formed it, and it shows.

It now is being forced on people again by the heirs (or exploiters) of that same political matrix.

Many texts from the same time period as pre-Nicene Christianity now are available in translation, and they tend to be a lot more profound than the Sunday School condensed politicized crap many of us grew up with.

My mind's not closed to the idea of a God or Gods, although I can't be persuaded of omnipotence. It's entirely closed to politically motivated heresies, however.

Baltha

While you're standing the wrong side of the velvet rope busy telling Jesus about all the internet arguments you started, the real, loving, caring Christians who spent their lives helping others will be ushered straight past you and into God's VIP room.

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