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View Poll Results: DO YOU PLACE YOUR FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST, BELIEVING THAT HE DIED AND ROSE AGAIN?
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Old 06-18-2012, 01:49 PM   #551 (permalink)
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But are they gay dix? I don't want to mess up your gay thread by bringing in non-gay dix.
Oh, I hadn't considered that. What percentage of gay dix get trimmed in comparison to non gay dix. (o.o)

If only we had a resident expert on gay dix... (>.>)
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Why not simply remove the middleman (in a manner of speaking)? If God is omnipotent, why not simply do away with sin altogether? Then everyone by default is saved, and that's a good thing in God's eyes, right?

That's E X A C T L Y what Jesus Christ came to do, However, He still gives us the Freewill to choose whether we want the forgiveness or if we want to pay for our sins ourselves.

Unfortunately, by default, we reject salvation until the time that we admit we are a sinner, turn to Jesus Christ and accept Him, believing that He died on the cross and rose from the dead to pay for our sins.

If God forced us by default to serve Him, then that would be percieved as forcing people to serve Him.

I would love for everyone to be saved, even those who hate me here. I mean that.
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You've been dosing off this whole thread. What is your preferred dose by the way?
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What if I admit I'm a sinner but tell the madcap jesuspeople to piss off about their magic sky guy? (o.o)
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I said that the BIBLE was the eyewitness accounts. The secular writings support the Biblical, eyewitness accounts.
All but one of those people were born after the crucifixion of Jesus. How can they possibly be considered eyewitness accounts? The one that isn't (Seneca) is an account of Nero's treatment of early Christians, not an eyewitness account of Jesus.
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I can't be arsed to quote you, Mr. Underhill, but how can you say the Old Testament God (which is the one represented in the Garden of Eden) is Good and Perfect in all ways when He ordered people to kill their own sons, ordered his own son to be killed (presumably because people were being righteous assholes to each other or something), flooded the world, killing not just all the people but all the animals (who really don't worship a god) and probably most of the plants and sea critters besides, ousted his "perfect creation" out of a promise to live forever, never get old, and never get sick (there is no Sanctuary) just because they made a simple error, and visited a whole shitload of plagues on the neighborhood including killing all first born sons in every house?

Seems kind of, I dunno, unnecessarily cruel.

A good person wouldn't condone all that.
The law was written to teach man that he is a sinner. God knows that nonone is actually going to take their kids to be stoned. He flooded the earth because it was so corrupt at that point that all hope of restoring it had failed. Noah preached for over 100 years and didn't get 1 convert. They mocked him and treated him very much the same way that I am being treated in this site. I have no doubt that if they would have repented to God, He would have saved them, but, What happened in the end?
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This is why I enjoy being agnostic. =^-^=
By not choosing, you are by default, rejecting Christ and His salvation.
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I'm a bit amused that you're ignoring me,Frodo. And don't say you're not Judging these people because you most definitely are. I put to you that God abhors hypocrites far more than non-believers. At least they don't claim to believe in the God they are supposedly claiming to speak foe. You are. Let God do His job, m'kay. This sort of "help " He doesn't need.

How many hungry people have you fed? How many people have you visited who are imprisoned?To how many thirsty people have you given water? How many homeless friends have you housed? Because Jesus was pretty specific about requesting that His people meet those physical needs of others
You are preaching a false doctrine. You don't believe that the Bible is God's word and don't believe people go to hell? You believe all men will be saved? That is not Biblical doctrine and unChristian. That's why they like you and hate me.
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Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
If you go to church on Sunday, You're going to Hell, Mr. Frodo. Sunday is the first day of the week, not the seventh. Thus you profane the Sabbath. It was a sun-worshiping Roman Emperor (Constantine) that instituted Sunday worship.

If you celebrate Christmas, you're going to Hell, Mr. Frodo. There is no evidence, neither in the Bible or outside it that the apostles themselves celebrated the birth of Yeshua, nor did He ever command the disciples to do so. Christmas, like Easter, was adopted by the early Church to attract pagan converts.

And about Easter: the entire point of having the Crucifixion occur when it did was because God intended it as a PASSOVER sacrifice. A real disciple celebrates that sacrifice by taking Communion at Passover. Good Friday is nonsense. Pro-tip: Twice a year, the Jewish calendar has a week with two Sabbaths. Those weeks are the week that Passover and the Day of Atonement fall on. I'm not making it up, check Exodus. This means that the Crucifixion took place mid-week. Count three nights and three days starting Wednesday at sunset, for Judaism counts time from sunset to sunset and you get Saturday at sunset. If the resurrection occurred, it was no earlier than that. Saturday, after the weekly Sabbath had passed. Simple math destroys the concept of Good Friday.

Jesus said nothing about exempting the disciples from observing the appointed feast day. In fact, the verses quoted above prove the opposite is true. He Himself, as a Jew, observed them- the original feast days as laid out in the Torah.

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Kill old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women, but touch no one on whom is the mark. And begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were before the house.
It is the Church, like the temple in Ezekiel's vision, that gets judged first. Therefore worry about yourself first before concerning yourself with us. I sincerely doubt that you are one of the elect.
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Except that never actually works. Every Christian I've ever known still suffers quite a bit.

The root of suffering is clinging to pleasure and pushing away displeasure. Until you uproot your consciousness from that dichotomy, you're pretty much stuck with suffering.

Suffering is a part of existing in this world, but God helps me through it. He holds my hand so to speak. I'm not alone.
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If God already knew which choice they would make then by definition they had no free will. Free will and omniscient beings cannot coexist.
Foreknowing, doesn't mean choosing for them.
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By not choosing, you are by default, rejecting Christ and His salvation.
I can live with that. (^_^)

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Hey, guess what?
You said Adam and Eve were perfect. Saying they weren't perfect in knowledge kind of means by default that they weren't perfect. Your logic, it fails.
They weren't God. They were perfectly as God intended them to be. To know all things, is to be God. Only God knows all things.
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That's E X A C T L Y what Jesus Christ came to do
That's what Mithra came to do, too, and look what it got him.

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He flooded the earth because it was so corrupt at that point that all hope of restoring it had failed.
So God isn't omnipotent after all.

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Why would an all knowing God need to test them? He knew they would fail. Why did he lie to them about the nature of the test? They failed because they believed the talking snake, who was telling the truth. If God had not lied about the nature of the tree, how could the snake trick Eve?

Sounds like a !@#$ move.
Because He wanted them to love Him because they WANTED to, not because He forced them to. Yes, He knew they would fail and immediately made provision for them, via His own Son's death. He didn't lie about anything. He just told them not to eat of it and warned them that He would die if they ate of it. The snake lied to them. He said that they wouldn't die if they ate the fruit, but they DID. God didn't lie. What an awesome God He is.
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He flooded the earth because it was so corrupt at that point that all hope of restoring it had failed. Noah preached for over 100 years and didn't get 1 convert
There is absolutely ZERO evidence for a global flood. Zero.

There is ample evidence for numerous local/regional floods (since Man normally lives near water, it's perfectly reasonable) and ancient man had a very limited view on the size of the earth. Thus, myths were created.

But no, there was no global flood. Sediment and fossil evidence (not to mention plain old common sense) are all we need to rebut the idea.
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I may have missed something here, but why did God want to "see if they could believe God or satan" when "He knew what would happen and He already preplanned for it"? Since He knew what would happen, it couldn't help but happen, surely?
Because all things MUST be demonstrated in FACT, not just in theory.
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. That's why they like you and hate me.
They don't think they hate you. I think you overestimate your importance. I doubt anyone here cares enough about you to hate you. I know I don't. You are a way to pass the time and a plaything, nothing more.
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And God was omniscient, so he knew precisely what would happen.

He set up man to be condemned, proceeded to cause all their pain and suffering, then came to earth as his own Son in order to redeem the men he had already condemned because he was lonely.

BTW, loneliness,jealousy and wrath aren't the emotions of any perfect Omnipotent Creator God worth his salt.

See above. If God set up the fate of a single individual to experience eternal hellfire, then he is a Sadist and does NOT love his creation. Sounds more like a temperamental child, tbh.

If your version is true, then you are describing a narcissist and a sadist. Not someone worthy of praise.

Dear God, thanks for creating me in order to condemn me if I don't believe in a 2,000 year old myth. You're sooo awsum!
Any man who goes to hell, chooses to go there. If you reject Jesus Christ, you are choosing to go to hell and have no one to blame but yourself.
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So the people who don't know anything about Jesus Christ are going to hell by default. Nice god you've got there.
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Because all things MUST be demonstrated in FACT, not just in theory.
So, you consider a shrubbery spontaneously lighting afire and speaking to some dolt in the desert to be fact? (O.o)

Fact is dood was just having a bad bread mold trip, really. Drugs really bring out the best stories from some people. (^_^)
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Because all things MUST be demonstrated in FACT, not just in theory.
Great! Does this mean you are going to start proving your case now, finally?

/me sits back and waits for properly supported facts and evidence
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