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Old 06-30-2012, 04:14 PM   #3051 (permalink)
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The English singer and songwriter Kathryn Williams once introduced her version of Hallelujah in a live show by saying, "I really, really, really want to shag Leonard Cohen."
heh ... I understand it's a rather sizeable ....erm ... club.

Iggy Pop tells a story about getting a call from his buddy, Leonard. (!)

Leonard had spotted a personal ad from a woman who wanted to meet a man who was "a mix of Iggy Pop and Leonard Cohen."

"Iggy! We HAVE to do this! We can make this woman's dream come true!"

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Old 06-30-2012, 05:09 PM   #3052 (permalink)
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The only demons I've seen were on SL and some of them were cute.

As for the other ones, I don't meddle with this stuff.
Without daemons, there would have been no world wide web, or email!!!! (or they would have been delayed several years and botched by a certain 'Gates' person.)

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LBR and GBR? What do these abbreviations mean?
Lesser Banishing Ritual, Greater Banishing Ritual
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True, given that a lot of the non-christians and such I know were previously christian (or some other religion). Does Frodo use some 'once a christian always a christian' argument?
If the person is truly saved to begin with, then I believe that they will always remain saved. Salvation is not the result of what WE do, but of accepting what Christ did for us. It's a free gift.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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If it's an abomination against Nature, why do Bonobos Apes, Chimpanzees, and other primates show homosexual tendencies?

Actually, there are several animal species that have been documented performing homosexual activities, not just Humans.

So no, it's not an abomination. It's simply how some creatures are wired.

If God considered homosexuality a bad thing, He would not have created animals that had that tendency. And don't tell me it has anything to do with Free Will. You don't just choose to be homosexual. You just are.
I do believe that the temptation is very real for them, but it is a choice to engauge in the behavior. Just as I am a man who is truly attracted to women other than my wife, but it would be a sin for me to engauge in adultry. I choose not to give in to the temptation.

When Man sinned, the animal Kingdom fell as well...

Ro 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. {the...: or, every creature}

Perhaps my definition of abomination wasn't quite right.


abomination [əˌbɒmɪˈneɪʃən]
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2. an action that is vicious, vile, etc.
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Once again, reading comprehension is not strong in this particular hobbit.
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So followers of Islam get a free pass into Heaven then, right?

Jesus = Holy Spirit = God, Allah = God, ergo Allah = Jesus

Everyone that gets into heaven, gets in the same way. BTW, allah is not the God of the Bible. allah is the arabic word for god, true, but thats just because their culture, language doesn't allow for any other god to be spoken but the muslim god. It's not the God of the Bible.
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I do believe that the temptation is very real for them, but it is a choice to engauge in the behavior. Just as I am a man who is truly attracted to women other than my wife, but it would be a sin for me to engauge in adultry. I choose not to give in to the temptation.

When Man sinned, the animal Kingdom fell as well...

Ro 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. {the...: or, every creature}

Perhaps my definition of abomination wasn't quite right.


abomination [əˌbɒmɪˈneɪʃən]
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So what you are saying is that prior to the whole apple thing, horses had wives?
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You should have quoted from the beginning:

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.



Therefore the Old Testament is doctrine of devils, according to Paul.
No, but if a person is trying to place another person back under the law, then that would be satanic, because we are no longer under the law, but rather grace at this time. When Christ returns, and He will be very soon, the law will again be practiced because the law was given to the jews, not the gentiles and as you may know, this is the age of the gentiles. That's not to say that a Jew cannot be saved, but at this current time, they must approach God in the same manner as prescribed under grace.
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So, let me get this straight: This gospel is untrustworthy because it was written after the others (I have no idea whether it was or not, it's immaterial for this point), but the other gospels, which are 1600+ years old and have been translated however many times with known changes due to political leanings of the translators, are just fine?

No it's trustworthy and was written before 70 AD by the actual eyewitness.
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Legal petition? You mean there are lawyers involved? I would guess most people (well, maybe not you based on your debating skills) would opt to be their own defence counsels.
Yes, there are lawyers involved. satan is the prosecuter that accuses men of their sins before the Father. Jesus Christ is the defense lawyer to those who place their faith in Him. Those who reject Christ will have no defence. They may very well try to represent themselves to their own disctruction because the fact that you have sinned against God will be presented by satan and the defense of those who reject Christ will be...?

It won't matter. They will be guilty.

However, those who accept Christ's sacrifice will be pardoned of their sins because Jesus already paid for them, so satan's argument won't hold any weight.
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Prayer is no legal petition, you pray when you have done everything possible on Earth and didn't succeed. If you have forgotten one thing to do then you prayer won't be granted.
Well, at least I can prove to all here that your arguments are not biblical.

Ps 20:5 We will rejoice in thy salvation, and in the name of our God we will set up our banners: the LORD fulfil all thy petitions.

1Jo 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
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It's been 4.5 billion years so far with at the most another 15 billion before the sun dies out. World population has exploded from a few thousand, some 250,000 years ago, to over 7 billion now with no signs of slowing.

What's taking so long for us to 'die out'? How does your piddly little 70-some years average life expectancy even measure up to a mosquito on an elephant's in comparison?
Nope, just 6,000. Soon the Lord will return.

Re 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. {all things: or, these things}

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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No, I'm not making excuses, but that is certainly an interesting accusation coming from somebody who reckons God hates shellfish due to their cholesterol content. I am merely requesting some verification of Piper's story. You say three sets of paramedics pronounced him dead. Where can I find the statements by the paramedics confirming his version of events? I've read through the first fifteen pages of Piper's book (which seems to cover the whole incident), and it doesn't name any of them. He doesn't even name or interview the people at the scene, which is amazing considering he keeps saying "according to those who were there". Why won't any of them go on record? Meanwhile Mr Piper makes a ton of money by selling his book to people who swallow his story hook, line and sinker because it validates a dimension they desperately want to believe in.

As for three sets of paramedics checking him, I can only assume he said that elsewhere because it sounds far less dramatic in his book.

They are the only references to paramedics in the entire book.

I guess "facts" become exaggerated over time, huh?
No, I am free to eat whatever I want. I'm not under the law. You don't listen or read very well. Why don't you call piper and ask him. My pastor called him and he came to my church and spoke.
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Sorry, but wise people don't feel the need to mention their IQ, as if it was actually a reasonable measure of anything.

My IQ is over 9000 btw.
I only mentioned it because this particular person said that they were a genius. I agree, it's not wise to mention it normally.
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...and no regrets when I die...or at least as few as possible...
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Common sense when 100 persons tell you that you are wrong is to revise your judgment.
I'm not a crowd follower. With that said, just because those here don't agree with me, doesn't make them right. Millions and millions DO agree with me, although it's not about me, but rather the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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Nope, just 6,000. Soon the Lord will return.
Don't hold your breath.
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Using the Bible as evidence for the Bible being true is circular.

I'm right because I say I'm right. There, you can't dispute that because now we know I'm right.
I have used MANY sources that are not the Bible. You are making petty excuses.
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Your sources have even less credibility than you do. There's no scientific method involved in your proof or theirs. Try again.
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And they have all been rightly dismissed as invalid. Try sources that do not employ magical thinking.
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