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Old 06-29-2012, 07:44 PM   #3001 (permalink)
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If there were a heaven it'd include listening to Thao & Mirah...






Just keeping the thread warm for when the hobbit returns.
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Just keeping the thread warm for when the hobbit returns.
What a gyp! I saw the title and thought it was a Buckley cover.

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Ok, I have to ask, WTF is this thread even about and why is it hundreds of posts? I am out of vodka so I don't feel like reading it to find out.
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:17 PM   #3004 (permalink)
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Are we back to the musical interlude portion of the thread? In that case, here's the best fundamentalist Christian smackdown song ever (in my rather biased opinion).

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Old 06-29-2012, 08:25 PM   #3005 (permalink)
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Frodo: Hi sorry if you felt some kind of discrimination for your beliefs and feel like fighting to everybody for what you believe and try to shared with all the ppl around you . the thing is .. let me put it in other way of saying it to you to understand.. imagine this dog who finds the tap water open in summer and he splashed his head in it cuz was hot he got really excited for that discovering and runs to his owner and start shaking his body to show him the refreshment sensation that water makes you when you are hot of course the owner stand out and kick the dog the dog fights back and bite the owner and the owner kick the dog again this can carry on forever untill some of them gave up. the thing is you discover Jesus and coming to here and try to encorage ppl to believe or see what you see will never happend ppl has their time to see things in their choice you are talking about freedom but what you are doing is opressing ppl to believe what you believe it does not work like that.if you see it for yourself noone is supporting you is it?
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:43 PM   #3006 (permalink)
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:04 PM   #3007 (permalink)
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Genesis 1:27 --- So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Can someone please tell me why GOD has pubic hair... and nipples?
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Can someone please tell me why GOD has pubic hair... and nipples?
well I assume god is into pinching his/her/its nipples, especially when he/she/it watches you/everyone have sex.

The pubic hair is another one of his/her/its fetishes I would assume. that beard makes me think he/she/it likes'em hairy.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:34 PM   #3009 (permalink)
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What a gyp! I saw the title and thought it was a Buckley cover.

Jeff Buckley-Hallelujah - YouTube
This is not a bad Leonard Cohen cover. Interestingly I recently learned that my 91 year old mother-in-law likes this song. I don't think she really gets the words.

(I love this song -especially k.d.lang's version.)
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If we've reached another musical interlude, then here's Doctor John... now that's my sort of religious music

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There are PRACTICAL reasons why adultery is a sin, it causes harm in this life. You're betraying your spouse, risking the creation of bastard children, conducting yourself in a dishonest and deceptive way, and unless you take the mistress as a second wife, it ruins her for legitimate marriage or the stability/support of a life-long realationship and children to care for her when she grows old. Adultery is harmful in the long-term.

No such reasons exist for forbidding two people of the same sex from committing to each other AS IF they were husband and wife, for the remainder of their lives. The only harm that would befall them is from people who are intolerant of their relationship. In MY book, the judgemental intolerance is the sin.
Well, there's also the whole idea of property law. The man owns the wife. If the man dies, she passes along to his brother, and so on. While I'm sure there were loving unions, that certainly wasn't a requirement of biblical marriage.

There is also health concerns from too much promiscuity, not only on an individual level, but a societal. Now that we live in the days of antibiotics and condoms though, none of this is so much of a concern.
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To those who haven't read it yet: Please take the time read this first post and pray that prayer at the bottom of it to God from your heart.
When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues, on internet forums and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. - Matt 6:5
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I live in America. We rejected the Monarchy over 200 years ago. Not gonna accept it now.
Seriously... we're almost pathological in our elevation of the individual and rejection of others telling us what to do, but we're supposed to Obey some invisible, unprovable King of Heaven when we resist and reject a guy we elected and can see on TV?

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We have real proof that Marie Curie lived (not conflicting stories). We can read what she wrote and know that it is really her words (not shit made up long after her alleged death and then filtered by an ass-load of agendas).

And we can have a useful sacrament around everytime we have to get an Xray.

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Can someone please tell me why GOD has pubic hair... and nipples?
And an appendix.

We know what the dick is for... knocking up other men's fiances. At least Zeus had the courtesy to turn into a ram or a shower of gold before impregnating some babe.

The Christian God - outlaws adultry except for himself.

Which makes this the perfect place for this...

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Nobody can provide evidence that God or gods exist. The very nature of God or gods denighs them being proven at all. Anyone who claims so other wise is ether a fool or is trying to sell you something.

Now if I was so inclined I could use any number of arguments to prove that gods or God exists philosophically. But that all so doesn't mean squat because I could use those same arguments that the box of fries I'm currently munching on exists, or doesn't.

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Ya know, its absolutely impossible to PROVE or DISPROVE the existence of the divinity. Some of us had experiences that to us were confirming, many of you have not had these experiences, and as a result have no reason to believe. Trying to argue the existence or non existence is obviously not a productive activity, you either believe or you don't.
Well, that's not quite correct.

While you indeed can't disprove all possible concepts of god, because for each proof you can come up with, there is an infinite number of god claims for which that proof doesn't apply - this doesn't mean it isn't possible to disprove one specific version of god, such as the one Frodo is adhering to.

The testability of a claim relies solely on it making predictions that can be verified in the natural world. For example, if you said "There are cookies in the jar on the cupboard", that claim could be easily tested simply by looking in the jar. Yeah, after discovering an empty cookie jar, you could just say that an invisible cookie monster stole the cookies while I was reaching for the jar, but then you would have made a different claim.

So, even though Frodo's god still remains a supernatural entity, its frequent interactions with the natural world would produce a lot of evidence: for example, if the Flood really happened, scientists would be able to find evidence for a population bottleneck in the genome of every single species on Earth. There should be a single layer of flood deposits with fossils from all kinds of animals. Instead, what we see looks like this: granite, sandstone, chalk, salt deposits, basalt and volcanic ash, coal , more sedimentary rock etc. And if the universe really was 6000 years old, we shouldn't be seeing the light of stars millions of light-years away. So, you can disprove the existence of the particular god-version Frodo keeps doting on.

Sure, he can just try to explain these facts away by invoking magic (faster light in the past, genes worked differently, salt and coal are flood deposits and stalactites grow underwater) or saying his god created things in a deceptive way, just like you could invoke the invisible cookie monster to steal the cookies - but each time he does this, he's stabbing his deity in the back and abandoning it to replace it with a new one.
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You failed to connect the dots on the evidence that I presented.

1)Jesus instituted Marriage as between a man and a woman only.
2) It's a sin to have sex outside of marriage.
*buzzzzz* WRONG!

According to the bible,

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When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues, on internet forums and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. - Matt 6:5
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Much of it is not science due to the fact that it is lacking the evidence to support it's claims. You have been duped into believing in a false religion. It's not really your fault. You've been taught it since you were a child and don't see the gaps in the evidence. You are conditioned to just accept the gaps.
E

Mrs. Science: «Hey, it's an 'E'.»
Mr. Baggins: «God put it there, PRAISE THE LORD!»
E     l

Mrs. Science: «Now there's an 'l', too! I wonder if that means something.»
Mr. Baggins: «I couldn't find anything about this in my GENERIC HOLY BOOK, I'm sure this means nothing.»
E v   l
Mr. Baggins: «Evil! Evil! 'Tis the work of the DEVIL!!!»
Mrs. Science: «But you just said it means nothing, and before that you said God...»
Mr. Baggins: «'Tis the DEVIL I tell ya! Run for the hills!»
E v o l

Mrs. Science: «'Evil', eh?»
Mr. Baggins [grumbling]: «Don't be silly, I never said that. Also, I think these letters all look like 'e's to me, so it spells "Eeee"»
E v o l         n

Mrs. Science: «Well? That 'n' over there certainly doesn't look like an 'e' to me!»
Mr. Baggins: «That's actually an 'h', as in 'human'. so it's "Eeee" and "h" - still means nothing to me.»
Science: «No, there appears to be some structure in this. Want to bet the next letter will appear between the 'l' and the 'n'?»

E v o l   t     n
Mr. Sniggab: «Hello, I'm Mr. Sniggab.»
Mrs. Science: «Hello Mr. Sniggab, I'm observing these letters over here and predicted the appearance of another one between the letters 'l' and 'n' - and there it is! It's a 't'. You know, this is beginning to look like a word to me...»
Mr. Sniggab: «Drawing such conclusions from a random string of letters is far too premature. Remember when you thought it spelled out "evil" and freaked out over it?»
Mrs. Science: «I never said such a... waitaminute, that was YOU! You just turned your name around, and where did you get that false mustache from?»
Mr. Baggins: «Oh, that's so typical you, to attack me with an ad hominem when you run out of arguments.»
E v o l   t   o n

Mrs. Science: «Ad hominem? What are you talking about? Look, now there's an 'o' as well, this is clearly spelling out a word.»
Mr. Baggins: «You see an 'o', I see two more gaps. It's just a bunch of random letters.»
E v o l   t i o n

Mrs. Science: «What gaps? You mean the spacing??? We use it because you can't read written words if you write their letters across each other. In fact, all these letters are pretty much evenly spaced, they're well ordered and lined-up, from the Latin alphabet. How is any of this random? In fact, the gaps tell us where we should expect the next letters to pop up. Here, I just found that 'i' because I knew what I had to look for and where. It was behind your couch.»
Mr. Baggins: «GAPS!»
E v o l u t i o n


Note to the Bagginses of the world: the spacing is irrelevant, it's the letters that matter - and they clearly spell out "Evolution".



We have the fossils, we win.



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Anyway, the goal of Science is not to prove that God exists or not, it is to describe the Universe and help progress in technology.
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But I'm going with Surreal's theory about the "gateway drug to cannibalism".

Next ask yourself... what's really happening with all those foreskins...

Were those really canapes at the Bris?
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However to find God all you need to do is to understand the Law, you can learn it alone, with various religious books, with atheists books, by watching soap operas, by researching for Science, by listening to music, playing cards or having cyber sex on SL.

But you have to be attentive and ponder over it. Once you have understood the basic principles of the Law, every situation in Life will be clear and you will be ready to discover God.

Frodo is far from that because he doesn't understand basic principles of it. I must say that some atheists on this forum are much closer to God than him because they have a better understanding of the Law.

Oh and God does'n't give a shit if you curse him, he's impartial.

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