Aliselia Aeon

The Iraqi people I knew (in my old apartment building) threw a party when we went into Iraq. They put up signs thanking the US. A year later some of them were asking me why we were still there and why we didn't allow them to take over and run their own country. A year or so after that, some of them spoke to me of civilian family members of theirs that had been killed by US soldiers-one (I was told) was simply leaving his workplace and had a cell phone in his hand. What started out as joy and thankfulness in those individuals, turned to anger and resentment. If this is any indication, I would doubt that the press there exactly applauds us.

I know that this isn't on topic, I just wanted to reply to Jolene's post.


Carry on with the topic at hand.

Jolene Benoir

I agree with you. I think that many Iraqi citizens were glad to be rid of Saddam., yet didn't want new conquerors on hand.

But that turned into an occupation, in which every Iraqi citizen was seen as the enemy, because of a few. Or even not them as outside forces were at play.

Jolene Benoir

Or, as Bush or Cheney said, "Let's fight then there, not on US soil.

I object to that, because innocent people are killed in their fight.

There's that arrogance, again.

Cindy Claveau

What part of "inaccurate and false" do you fail to comprehend?

It would take me hours and several posts to even begin to touch the stupidity that pours out of Fox's mics, but it sounds to me like you're guilty of the very thing you think others are - confirmation bias. THERE IS NO EQUIVALENCY between Fox and other US news agencies!

Fine. First, watch the video I posted earlier. The one that cited the survey on how much more uninformed Fox viewers were than anyone else. (Even Bin Laden Knew Fox News Is Crap ).

That's the start. Then we can look at who actually runs Fox. There's a disturbing trend:


If that isn't enough to make my point, let's take a look at the people they hire for their "opinion" shows:

Sean Hannity - rightwing crackpot
Bill O'Reilly - overbearing conservative windbag
Glenn Beck - major whackjob
Mike Huckabee - are you serious?
Sarah Palin - now we're getting ridiculous

Finally, I would point you to the infamous "terrorist fist jab" incident. This is nothing but inflammatory anti-Obama sensationalism:


And who else would still be beating that old, worn-out drum about Obama's birth certificate? yep - Fox!

Grapevine: Obama's Birth Certificate Still in Question? - Political Grapevine - Special Report - Fox News

I'm actually very surprised that all of this has to be explained, really. You'd have to be living under a rock to not know that Fox is a rightwing propaganda mill funded by Koch.

Or maybe you do and your own confirmation bias is just blinding you to how ridiculous they look to the rest of the world.

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Oh, I missed the tag team of stupid.

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Joshua Nightshade

MSNBC leans left; FOX deliberately, consistently lies. Pretending that they're the same thing because their ideology is on opposite ends of the political spectrum is dishonest. But, then, idiots like Lloyd and B excel at dishonesty and condescension when everyone else laughs at them for it.

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Joshua Nightshade

It doesn't. You bother explaining and B will just pull a Perp and ignore the explanation in favour of zeroing in on posts telling him he's a doucheturtle.

Seyla Warden

The problem with Faux News is not that it's a right-wing channel; the problem is that Faux News LIES. The problem is that Faux News went to court and won the 'right' to lie on the air because it's an 'entertainment channel', not a news one.

Faux News exists to drag the Overton Window to the right so that no matter how much people realize how extremist the batshit evangelical crpwd is, bit by bit, inch by inch, they shift the entire framing of public policy in this country towards their end goals.

Faux News really shouldn't be allowed to be on the air.

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Leans right? if they "leaned" any farther right they'd be standing on their heads.

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Mr. B

Probably the part that has not been involved in our chat until you bring it up now. Certainly Fox has broadcast some inaccurate and / or false information - duh.

Again - if your point was that Fox says stupid things then perhaps include that as your point before attempting to claim some sort of superiority by changing your points. No doubt Fox has said some stupid things - see how easy that was to find common ground once you know what your ground is? (Obviously there are some comparisons that can be made regarding neutrality as was shown in the pew study I cited - and since we were talking about neutrality - well - yanno).

Regarding the WPO study - the study is what it is. Those who watched Fox daily faired the worst in 9 out of 11 questions. Since the common liberal opinion seems to be that conservatives are stooopid - maybe Fox has done a great job in getting them all that far along from being 100% wrong?



It does not surprise anyone you don't like those individuals. You do realize that talk / opinion / editorial shows are not journalism, don't you?

Is this one of those instances where liberals see code where none exists? You actually watched that segment and think Fox has proclaimed it a "terrorist first jab"? A silly fluff news piece? After in plain English that very report tells you it is nota terrorist fist jab?

Was there something factually incorrect in that clip? Or are you upset that they actually reported the - you know - news? Didn't that story even made SLUprs as a topic of conversation? I don't understand your outrage over either of the 2 examples.

Certainly everyone has some sort of bias filter they pass information through.

Darnk Yun

Man, you have 500+ posts.

Get a god damn avatar already!

Seyla Warden

Whaty possible purpose could there be for the anchor using the phrase "terrorist fist jab" before any clips were aired if not to imply that it was a terrorist fist jab? If implying that wasn't the point then she simply could have not said it.

Birthers are not news. There's no 'controversy' about Obama's birth certificate, he's American simply for the fact that his mother is American if nothing else.

In a literal, pedantic sense this is true. But some people's filters are relatively benign and other peoples' filter is Faux News.

Mr. B

See that bold part up there?
What are you talking about?
The Wilson / Akre v. Fox suit?

Mr. B

no!

Cindy Claveau

You must be psychic or something.

The twisting, dodging and justification is epic.

Mr. B

/me reads what omagoshjosh posted...
reads what you posted in response

tsk tsk, not even able to comprehend a sentence as simple as the one Josh posted...
You silly.
Did the mountains of books surrounding you in your library fall and hit you on the head?
(I hope not)

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Aliselia Aeon

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Laugh? Not me. Well... maybe not quite yet...

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Mr. B

Did you ever figure out what you are referring to in your quote emboldened above?

Mr. B

Having had a bit of time to look into the WPO study you cited, let's see if you can shed some on light its validity in support your position. Starting with what should be the most straight forward item:

WPO says Fox viewers are wrong in that "Their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)"

FYI: The actual question asked was "Since January 2009 have your Federal Income Taxes gone up?"

Since the WPO never had any data on the study participants Federal Income Taxes, how could WPO claim anyone as was wrong if they said their Federal Income Taxes did go up?

Cindy Claveau

Still twisting, I see.

Carry on.

Jolene Benoir

I miss the days of my childhood in which the news was just presented. Journalists were taught to not interject their own opinion into the news.

The first vitriol I remember seeing interjected was Rush Limbaugh with his radio program. Someone older than me who remembers it differently, feel free to tell me otherwise.

Nowadays, it seems that they're in a race to the lowest common denominator, and opinion has become what they preach.

As Amity said, we pay attention to those that confirm our own bias, and loathe those that don't.

Mr. B

If you are incapable of discussing the study you offered as proof of something I think that shows a lack of character. Certainly you could say 'oh yes that one item is BS, I don't agree with everything WPO says" (which would be a fair and reasonable response).

I would like to think you are not the stereotypical idiot who cannot think past a headlines. I mean - you routinely tell us all how good you are at independent analytical thought...

To use WPOs logic it would then be true to say that since the majority of Americans do not live in poverty that anyone who says they do is "misinformed". I think that makes no sense. You think I am twisting.

Mr. B

Agree with much of that.

Cris posted an great article recently that while basically bashing Republicans pointed out how groups tend to gather and talk about how stupid those they disagree with are, and how superior their own group is.

That happens not only with those on the right but with those on the left - being displayed here on a daily basis. Such is human nature.

(Obviously nothing in that is directed at you personally and is a general observation)