detrius

What qualifies you to say there is no distinction?

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eku Zhong

of course look at these three examples of propaganda..

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eku Zhong

nothing..
but i am qualified to question your belief that you are qualified to judge ....

because you presume to judge for me.. and for other people

Asher Bertrand

Not art.

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Autumn Palen

It can be, yes. Vergil's Aeneid is in large part propaganda, but it's also one of the masterpiece's of Roman literature. The same might be said of medieval stained glass scenes or Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel ceiling, but they are also beautiful art.

MissKillian Barbosa

Eye or ear of the beholder, people. Eye of the beholder


And Asher you think Dubstep is music but Beyonce's "Single Ladies" Isn't.. just sayin.

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Asher Bertrand

Not music.

eku Zhong

FIFY

Asher Bertrand

Of course. Everyone gets to decide for themselves. There's never going to be agreement.

But if you're going to go around fixing my "not art" with adding "to me" by it, then do the same and add the "to me" when you declare something to be art. Especially something that anyone can empirically tell is not art.

Isabeau Imako

Why is it so important to call something 'ART'? Because if we didn't call it that, we couldn't charge people too much money?

Asher Bertrand

You can see what brings us to near fisticuffs in our home.

Wrong Weatherwax

Just random, but I love post-WWII Russian propaganda... The stylized art is amazing even if you don't agree with the principle behind it.

And really, isn't most of the world's religious art, the ones touted as the Renaissance Masters really just propaganda?

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eku Zhong

hahahahahahahaha

you know... of course all of you do..
that you only think something is art because you were taught ..
this is art
this is not

in some way all of us were taught that..

but you can only be truly free of 'is/not art' syndrome by having belief in yourself..

why should you care if someone disagrees with what you deep down like to look at..

or why should you look down on someone who likes to look at what you think is not art..

modern artists are 'made' by pompous twats who decide who should and who shouldnt be considered an artist..

if some critique decides that 'Madonna Daubed with Snot' is THE art of the hour..
then it will be the art of the hour..

and everyone will ooo and aaah over it..

I used to watch ppl buy my stuff...
and there were all different kinds of ppl
the ones who would buy accordiing to price .. high or low
the ones who bought on the recommendation of others
and the most precious of all
the ones who would walk up to a piece..
look at it..
touch it
pick it up
feel it in their hands
and then buy out of personal connection with the piece.

thats art.. and the love of it... it is art to that one person because they cant help it not being.

Ishina

"The aim of every artist is to arrest motion, which is life, by artificial means and hold it fixed so that a hundred years later, when a stranger looks at it, it moves again since it is life."
- William Faulkner

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Asher Bertrand

That's not art.

That's poetry.

eku Zhong

there is nothing in this world that fits this discription

Asher Bertrand

I love you art nerds. You take it all so seriously.

Richie Waves

RIP, though your art was trite.

Ann Otoole

if you shit a jesus turd your bathroom will become a shrine

detrius

*retch*

I'm not even going to comment on this piece of racist shit.


Way to go, Eku, that really improves the discussion. [/sarcasm]


Definitely not one of da Vinci's masterpieces. Anyway, I'd say the same thing I said in response to the Greek amphorae example above, only that this picture communicates Christian symbolism.

I have no idea what to think of this one, what's its context?



And you misunderstood me again: I'm not saying that propaganda isn't art, I'm thinking that not all propaganda is art. You're too obsessed with thinking in absolutes.

eku Zhong

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Sredni Eel

Kinkade was a hack just like boris vallejo but if you really want to buy those paintings have fun. I never liked his ork. RIP anyway.

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Ishina

Art isn't a synonym for thing. It can mean a lot of things, but not just any thing.

detrius

Oh, I didn't mean to say that propaganda cannot be art. But some of it isn't.

detrius

satire