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Old 04-15-2012, 05:57 PM   #426 (permalink)
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Well that was all my concern, I'm not going to defend the stupid theories about the Universe creation that are contained in it, which are most likely borrowed from Egyptian mythology.
Just to be clear, I answered yes to your "either/or" presentation, as it's both.
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Old 04-15-2012, 06:02 PM   #427 (permalink)
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A step back since holy writings of pretty much any religion have been used to justify atrocities.
Yes you could consider the inquisition burning people in the name of God as a form of human sacrifice, I've thought about that. However it's written in the book "You shall not kill". So is it the book's fault or the religious fault?

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Just to be clear, I answered yes to your "either/or" presentation, as it's both.
Yes I knew it.

Anyway, what happened with the Bible is that a big part of humanity came from many Gods to a single one.
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Yes you could consider the inquisition burning people in the name of God as a form of human sacrifice, I've thought about that. However it's written in the book "You shall not kill". So is it the book's fault or the religious fault?
Both since the religion decided it needed a book, specifically that one. As soon as you decide you need written rules you are setting yourself up for a fall.

People will follow their nature. If they can find anything in some interpretation of their religion's book that support what they want to do they will take that as 'proof' of their conclusions. A good result if their intentions are to help people but what do you do when they want to commit mass murder and think they find justification for it in those same writings?
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Yes you could consider the inquisition burning people in the name of God as a form of human sacrifice, I've thought about that. However it's written in the book "You shall not kill". So is it the book's fault or the religious fault?
It's "you shall not do murder". Killing gays, witches, women, children, slaughtering non-believers en masse, killing on command, isn't murder.
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Yes you could consider the inquisition burning people in the name of God as a form of human sacrifice, I've thought about that. However it's written in the book "You shall not kill". So is it the book's fault or the religious fault?.
What happened right after God gave Moses the commandments?

He came down from Mount Siani, found the Golden Calf party, and ordered the Levites to go on a killing spree.
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What happened right after God gave Moses the commandments?

He came down from Mount Siani, found the Golden Calf party, and ordered the Levites to go on a killing spree.
Aww... I was hoping for a party with bitches and beer!

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I just want to quote this. It is so adorably head in the sands idealistic and oblivious to real world circumstances
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Both since the religion decided it needed a book, specifically that one. As soon as you decide you need written rules you are setting yourself up for a fall.
It's life the rule book. Religious books are an attempt of translating it in human words but it doesn't work.
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What happened right after God gave Moses the commandments?

He came down from Mount Siani, found the Golden Calf party, and ordered the Levites to go on a killing spree.
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Ah, but reality described by science is a subset of reality described by religious so some of religious is crazy to scientists.
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Ah, but reality described by science is a subset of reality described by religious so some of religious is crazy to scientists.
Actually reality described by religion, being unprovable by nature, is a subset of reality described by science. But thanks for trying to claim the high ground.
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Actually reality described by religion, being unprovable by nature, is a subset of reality described by science. But thanks for trying to claim the high ground.
Nope it's provable by experience or it wouldn't be reality, it just doesn't lay on scientific ground.
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Nope it's provable by experience or it wouldn't be reality, it just doesn't lay on scientific ground.
'Provable by experience' is a nonsense phrase. Anecdotes are not data.
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'Provable by experience' is a nonsense phrase. Anecdotes are not data.
Nope, spiritual journey is. And since I'm not a spiritual master I'm unqualified to tell you more about it.
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'Provable by experience' is a nonsense phrase. Anecdotes are not data.
No, they are not. But this is an area where no objective data can possibly exist. There is nothing but anecdotes, and there is an insufficient critical mass of them to be convincing to the skeptic.
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Nope anecdotes have nothing to see with that. It's about practice, meditation, prayer, study and most importantly listening.
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Nope anecdotes have nothing to see with that. It's about practice, meditation, prayer, study and most importantly listening.
All of which is subjective, unprovable, and has nothing to do with science. So how is science a subset of this again?
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All of which is subjective, unprovable, and has nothing to do with science. So how is science a subset of this again?
It's provable to you granted that you make the effort of experiencing it.
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It's provable to you granted that you make the effort of experiencing it.
That's not proof, that's belief.
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That's not proof, that's belief.
Haha. Nope. I can give you something easy to check you'll tell me in 3 monthes what you feel about it. But I wouldn't want to sound proselyte.
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