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Old 03-10-2012, 06:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Incoming UC Students May Be Asked To Declare Their Sexual Orientation

Incoming UC Students May Be Asked To Declare Their Sexual Orientation « CBS Los Angeles

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The next influx of UC students may be asked to state their sexual orientation.

In January, the Academic Senate recommended that upon accepting admission offers from a University of California school students should have the option of identifying themselves as lesbian, gay, bi-sexual or transgender.

The UC Board of Admissions and Relations with Schools had mixed reactions but agreed that the question would allow them to collect important statistical information. They recommended putting the question on the SIR forms instead of college applications to protect students’ privacy.
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When that question is a violation of Federal law in so many other instances (like employment), I'm not comfortable with it even being an option.

What's wrong with

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Do we need to categorize people and separate them by sexual orientation?
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Oh ffs, don't bother asking incoming feshman because most have no clue.

Ask outgoing seniors.
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When that question is a violation of Federal law in so many other instances (like employment), I'm not comfortable with it even being an option.

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☐ Animal
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Do we need to categorize people and separate them by sexual orientation?
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What, no straight option? YOU HETEROPHOBES!



In all seriousness, why the fuck does it matter what a student's sexuality is? Or is looking at this from a laid back, liberal POV just stoopid?
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Oh ffs, don't bother asking incoming feshman because most have no clue.

Ask outgoing seniors.
Not that they are always sure, just have more experience to base a theory on.

Hmm, I wonder what the procedure is when the first person responds to telling them their sexuality with "none of the above"?
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Wait ..... I just read that quote again .... "or transgender"?

What part of "gender is an orthogonal concept to sexuality" do they not understand? So if you are trans you can not have a sexual orientation at all?
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What, no straight option? YOU HETEROPHOBES!



In all seriousness, why the fuck does it matter what a student's sexuality is? Or is looking at this from a laid back, liberal POV just stoopid?

They need to know so they can have the armbands made and ready to distribute, just in case the Republicans win the election. Also, it will help with figuring out bus space for the trips to the de-gayifying and un-sluttifying camps.
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What, no straight option? YOU HETEROPHOBES!



In all seriousness, why the fuck does it matter what a student's sexuality is? Or is looking at this from a laid back, liberal POV just stoopid?
I heard this story on NPR months ago, but all I remember regarding their intent is thinking, "Oh. That's fairly benign after all." I do remember it had nothing to do with admissions and that it is voluntary.
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In all seriousness, "why do they need to know?" was the first question that ran through my mind.
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I heard this story on NPR months ago, but all I remember regarding their intent is thinking, "Oh. That's fairly benign after all." I do remember it had nothing to do with admissions and that it is voluntary.
Given the way peer pressure works voluntary quickly is de facto mandatory.
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Given the way peer pressure works voluntary quickly is de facto mandatory.
I should make clear I don't think it is necessarily a good idea.

The admin types say it is to assure there are adequate services for LGBT students. Of course, you can't budget for what you don't know you need, so I can see it from that aspect. But tying it to their identity through admissions? That's most likely one of those well-intentioned but ill-considered California things.

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The admin types say it is to assure there are adequate services for LGBT students.
It seems to me it could also be used as a way to say "we don't need to spend money because there's very few self-identified "this" or "that" this year. This is assuming that students would identify to a beaurocratic system that could keep that information in a file somewhere. Not all would be comfortable with that.
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It seems to me it could also be used as a way to say "we don't need to spend money because there's very few self-identified "this" or "that" this year. This is assuming that students would identify to a beaurocratic system that could keep that information in a file somewhere. Not all would be comfortable with that.
In my experience, school administrators are often quite adept at taking linear approaches to non-linear problems, generating spectacularly poor outcomes.
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Last I checked "Transgender" wasn't an orientation, at best it could be called an identity, at worse, a condition.

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screw all the bi- pan- multi- people, guess you'll just have to pick one and stick with it you fence sitting fuckers (and the same for intersexed too!)

an, no no one cares about you boring ass asexuals either

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It's for demographic purposes... lets then divide housing and potentially see where services are needed or could be offered, which is why they want to do it voluntarily post admission, but it seems like something that would go better on a nameless form at best.
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Will there be a change of orientation form, or can you do that online? Will your advisor have to approve it?
Is there a test?
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