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jacqueline trudeau · 03-06-2012, 03:13 PM

Rush's loathsome 3 day long diatribe against that woman has the potential for reaching the same tipping point as when the Murdoch machine tapped the phone of that dead girl. Advertisers are running away as fast as they can. He's in trouble. Even male Rush listeners are going wtf? If that blowhard said that about my wife/sister/daughter I'd knock his fat block off.

Me? I don't want him off the air. I don't want him to shut up. I want him visible, front and center, as the window into perp-think for all rational humans to see.

The QuietOne · 03-06-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jacqueline trudeau

Rush's loathsome 3 day long diatribe against that woman has the potential for reaching the same tipping point as when the Murdoch machine tapped the phone of that dead girl. Advertisers are running away as fast as they can. He's in trouble. Even male Rush listeners are going wtf? If that blowhard said that about my wife/sister/daughter I'd knock his fat block off.

Me? I don't want him off the air. I don't want him to shut up. I want him visible, front and center, as the window into perp-think for all rational humans to see.

The part of me that doesn't understand why people listen to Rush agrees with this...but the realistic part that sees Rush's show as an echo chamber of mysogyny, racism and hatred knows that some people get more whipped up in their mis-information and vitriol due to his "absurdity". I mean he seems to just make up random shit just to get people pissed off, he pretends he's some knowledgeable person providing reason for conservatives, but he's just a vile human being convincing the masses he knows what he's talking about.

He gets to say what some people think hidden only deep in their minds, and then when he verifies that it's ok to be that much of an awful human being, he can be their shield and they can all agree with each other and tell each other that what they are thinking is really ok.

ETA: And I don't want to take away his freedom of speech, he can spew his hatred while standing on a soap box while not getting paid millions for it in a park next to the Occupy Movement folks, I'm sure it'll go over well.

The QuietOne · 03-06-2012, 03:35 PM

And Geico means business...

In 2004, GEICO... | Facebook

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In 2004, GEICO instructed our affiliates not to run our ads during Rush Limbaugh’s program. This week an ad was placed incorrectly on the show.

We do not place ads on Rush’s program. We do not sponsor the show. We have repeatedly alerted our partners that our ads are never to run during his program. If this does not change rest assured that we will remove all advertising from this radio network.

(emphasis mine)

Darkness · 03-06-2012, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The QuietOne

The part of me that doesn't understand why people listen to Rush agrees with this...but the realistic part that sees Rush's show as an echo chamber of mysogyny, racism and hatred knows that some people get more whipped up in their mis-information and vitriol due to his "absurdity". I mean he seems to just make up random shit just to get people pissed off, he pretends he's some knowledgeable person providing reason for conservatives, but he's just a vile human being convincing the masses he knows what he's talking about.

He gets to say what some people think hidden only deep in their minds, and then when he verifies that it's ok to be that much of an awful human being, he can be their shield and they can all agree with each other and tell each other that what they are thinking is really ok.

I have long held that Rush Limbaugh is Shock Jock Howard Stern in a more pseudo intellectual wrapper. Stern is more honest I think he doesn't even TRY to Fake social acceptability.

jacqueline trudeau · 03-06-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The QuietOne

He gets to say what some people think hidden only deep in their minds, and then when he verifies that it's ok to be that much of an awful human being, he can be their shield and they can all agree with each other and tell each other that what they are thinking is really ok.

The News Of the Day readers thought everything was fair and OK when they were using slimy methods against royals, sports stars, celebrities. And the same with Rush listeners when he went against media names of a liberal bent. But once the News Of the Day crossed that line into an ordinary person's life, someone that could have been "one of their own", the public and those elected to actually represent them turned on NOTD with a fervor.

He crossed that same line, I predict the same will happen with Rush this time.

Perphides · 03-06-2012, 03:50 PM

All this outrage over Limbaugh's comments may well be justified, but anyone without long term memory problems remembers Bill Maher calling Sarah Palin vile names. The acceptance of liberals of that kind of behavior, repeatedly, like when Letterman called Palin a slut, kind of makes me suspect that this outrage has less to do with misogyny than it has to do with political opportunism.

Han Held · 03-06-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Perphides

stuff

3/10 b/c you got me to respond.

Jack Belvedere · 03-06-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Perphides

All this outrage over Limbaugh's comments may well be justified, but anyone without long term memory problems remembers Bill Maher calling Sarah Palin vile names. The acceptance of liberals of that kind of behavior, repeatedly, like when Letterman called Palin a slut, kind of makes me suspect that this outrage has less to do with misogyny than it has to do with political opportunism.

Charlie Brown Teacher Speaking - YouTube

Er-DUH! Already talked about.

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Originally Posted by Jack Belvedere

Here's an interesting article that nicely rebutts some of the arguments coming out of the highly uncomfortable Repubs trying to defend Rushbo.

[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/05/opinion/frum-rush-limbaugh-fairness/index.html"]

detrius · 03-06-2012, 04:19 PM

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<giggles>
Limbaugh Blames the Left for Calling Sandra Fluke a 'Slut' - Politics - The Atlantic Wire
"Its not my fault!! They made me do it!!"

From Crooks & Liars:

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Apparently on Planet Wingnut, the man who compared feminists to Nazis, who called Chelsea Clinton "the White House dog," who told an African-American caller to "take the bone out of your nose," who promoted a song titled, "Barack the Magic Negro," called the president a "Halfrican American," said he and the First Lady weren't "decent Americans," compared both President Obama and President Clinton to Hitler, labeled veterans who opposed the Iraq War "phony soldiers," dismissed Danica Patrick as a "woman driver," and suggested that all homosexuals are pedophiles -- eschews ad hominem attacks.

And, besides, that's what the "Left" does.

Simply amazing.

National Review's Andy McCarthy: Before Fluke, Limbaugh Didn't Engage in Personal Attacks | Crooks and Liars

jacqueline trudeau · 03-06-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Perphides

All this outrage over Limbaugh's comments may well be justified, but anyone without long term memory problems remembers Bill Maher calling Sarah Palin vile names. The acceptance of liberals of that kind of behavior, repeatedly, like when Letterman called Palin a slut, kind of makes me suspect that this outrage has less to do with misogyny than it has to do with political opportunism.

I wouldn't expect you to know the concept of false equivalency, and you don't disappoint.

**Cindy Claveau** · 03-06-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Perphides

All this outrage over Limbaugh's comments may well be justified, but anyone without long term memory problems remembers Bill Maher calling Sarah Palin vile names. The acceptance of liberals of that kind of behavior, repeatedly, like when Letterman called Palin a slut, kind of makes me suspect that this outrage has less to do with misogyny than it has to do with political opportunism.

For the record, I didn't like Maher's or Letterman's comments any more than I did Limbaugh's. The difference, though, is that this is a standard, constant stream of vitriole for Limbaugh. He's an odious ideologue who has done as much harm to the political climate in this country as idiots like Hannity and Palin.

And to clarify, Letterman did not call Palin a slut. He made a crack about her "slutty flight attendant look". - Still not in good taste but not quite what you're claiming, either.

As usual.

**Cindy Claveau** · 03-06-2012, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by detrius

From Crooks & Liars:

National Review's Andy McCarthy: Before Fluke, Limbaugh Didn't Engage in Personal Attacks | Crooks and Liars

Please refresh my memory: Wasn't Imus marginalized and censured for calling Rutgers' women's basketball players "hard-core hos" and "nappy headed hos"?

Yeh, it's not acceptable no matter what the political allegiances of the speaker.

Ann Otoole · 03-06-2012, 04:27 PM

If Rush trademarked "What Fuckery Is This" he would make billions on royalties.

**Cindy Claveau** · 03-06-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ann Otoole

If Rush trademarked "What Fuckery Is This" he would make billions on royalties.

It could become a Christmas carole!

detrius · 03-06-2012, 04:32 PM

Rush spent three days attacking a college student for giving a testimony to Congress, FFS!

How is that anywhere near anything Maher, Letterman et al. did?

ETA: just take Letterman - he said Palin's outfit made her look like a "slutty flight attendant" (which is not the same as calling her a "slut", no matter how Perph twists this story), Limbaugh literally called Fluke a "slut", as in "loose woman" and a "prostitute". Letterman delivered a seven minute apology, Limbaugh doubled and tripled down before delivering a fake apology where he still lied about Fluke's "lifestyle". Those are in no way equivalent cases.

detrius · 03-06-2012, 04:50 PM

Fuckit, I'm not even a native English speaker and even I can see that Letterman was making an inappropriate comment on Palin's fashion sense while Limbaugh was attacking Fluke's character.

Everyone who's trying to depict these two scenarios as equivalent is a lying bastard.

Ann Otoole · 03-06-2012, 04:52 PM

a slutty flight attendant outfit involves visible pantsu. Palin would completely destroy that thought image. The hairs would be strangling passengers.

detrius · 03-06-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jacqueline trudeau

I wouldn't expect you to know the concept of false equivalency, and you don't disappoint.

"Her" being part of a community that turned "swiftboating" into a bad word and being friends with an internationally despised Islamophobe gave you quite a bit of a bad inkling, huh?

Innula Zenovka · 03-06-2012, 05:17 PM

Forgive me if the point has been raised before, since I've not read the whole thread, but one thing that puzzles me is that, here in the UK, Limbaugh and his radio station would have probably have heard from Sandra Fluke's legal advisers by now.

I realise American laws on defamation are considerably more relaxed than are ours, but can do American citizens really have no redress against bullies with their own radio shows?

Lum Lumley · 03-06-2012, 05:20 PM

guys guys it's OK Rush is saved

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But while dozens of companies are trying to distance themselves from Limbaugh’s incendiary comments, one company has flocker to the conservative commentator. The online dating website SeekingArrangement.com, whose mission is to match subscribers with wealthy “Sugar Daddies,” said Tuesday that it has made a new ad buy specifically during Limbaugh’s program.

Brandon Wade, the founder and CEO of SeekingArrangement.com, said he decided to support Limbaugh because he apologized for calling Fluke a “prostitute,” an insult, Wade said, that “many in the mainstream media” have used to describe the women who use his dating site.

“Many will question why we are supporting Rush Limbaugh even though he is guilty of using the same terms that many in mainstream media have used to describe Sugar Babies,” Wade said in a statement Tuesday. “There are three good reasons. First, the right to free speech should never be subjected to boycott. Second, Limbaugh’s show appeals to the largest Sugar Daddy demographic. Third, while many in the mainstream media have yet to apologize for mistakenly calling Sugar Babies prostitutes, Rush Limbaugh did.”

"At the EIB network, we know sluts and hookers, and that's why we're proudly sponsored by them!"

Chip Midnight · 03-06-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Perphides

All this outrage over Limbaugh's comments may well be justified, but anyone without long term memory problems remembers Bill Maher calling Sarah Palin vile names. The acceptance of liberals of that kind of behavior, repeatedly, like when Letterman called Palin a slut, kind of makes me suspect that this outrage has less to do with misogyny than it has to do with political opportunism.

Sarah Palin has made her political career by stoking social divisions and telling half the country that they're not "real Americans" so it's not exactly shocking that attacks against her don't elicit much sympathy. Live by the sword, etc etc.

Wrong Weatherwax · 03-06-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Innula Zenovka

Forgive me if the point has been raised before, since I've not read the whole thread, but one thing that puzzles me is that, here in the UK, Limbaugh and his radio station would have probably have heard from Sandra Fluke's legal advisers by now.

I realise American laws on defamation are considerably more relaxed than are ours, but can do American citizens really have no redress against bullies with their own radio shows?

Such avenues exist yes and I would imagine that Sandra Fluke is considering her options. That said, defamation suits, especially against political pundits in this country are notoriously difficult due to free speech protections. However, Limbaugh appropriately hit on one of the major categories of defamation in the US, namely imputing sexual misconduct on the part of Sandra Fluke so the possibility certainly exists for a very real defamation libel suit against Limbaugh.

Lum Lumley · 03-06-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Innula Zenovka

I realise American laws on defamation are considerably more relaxed than are ours, but can do American citizens really have no redress against bullies with their own radio shows?

If Fluke wasn't a public figure, she would have considerably more redress. Limbaugh could conceivably argue that due to Fluke's position in the public eye he was engaging in Constitutionally protected speech, specifically satire. A similar case was when Larry Flynt published an obscene sexually explicit parody of Jerry Fallwell. Fallwell sued Flynt for libel and lost.

Hustler Magazine v. Falwell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In Hustler Magazine, Inc. v. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46 (1988), the United States Supreme Court held, in a unanimous 8–0 decision (Justice Anthony Kennedy took no part in the consideration or decision of the case), that the First Amendment's free-speech guarantee prohibits awarding damages to public figures to compensate for emotional distress intentionally inflicted upon them.

Thus, Hustler magazine's parody of Jerry Falwell was deemed to be within the law, because the Court found that reasonable people would not have interpreted the parody to contain factual claims, leading to a reversal of the jury verdict in favor of Falwell, who had previously been awarded $150,000 in damages by a lower court.

Ironically, using this logic Limbaugh would have to argue in court that no reasonable person would actually believe his statements on Fluke, but it's the sort of head-spinning after-the-fact dismissal that he's done before.

Wrong Weatherwax · 03-06-2012, 05:26 PM

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First, the right to free speech should never be subjected to boycott.

What kind of bullshit is that? The right to free speech is absolutely subject to both personal boycott as well as legal restriction and should be as it ensures that the right be equally granted to all, namely so that the right of free speech for one person doesn't override the rights of another.

Innula Zenovka · 03-06-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lum Lumley

If Fluke wasn't a public figure, she would have considerably more redress.

Was she a public figure before Limbaugh turned her into one?

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jacqueline trudeau SLERPee Breakin' prims in the hot sun Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Shantytown Posts: 7,316 My Mood: SL Join Date: 07/15/2005 Business: Trudeau Classic Sailing Yachts	Rush's loathsome 3 day long diatribe against that woman has the potential for reaching the same tipping point as when the Murdoch machine tapped the phone of that dead girl. Advertisers are running away as fast as they can. He's in trouble. Even male Rush listeners are going wtf? If that blowhard said that about my wife/sister/daughter I'd knock his fat block off. Me? I don't want him off the air. I don't want him to shut up. I want him visible, front and center, as the window into perp-think for all rational humans to see. __________________ Trudeau Classic Sailing Yachts

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detrius Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 7,062 My Mood:	Rush spent three days attacking a college student for giving a testimony to Congress, FFS! How is that anywhere near anything Maher, Letterman et al. did? ETA: just take Letterman - he said Palin's outfit made her look like a "slutty flight attendant" (which is not the same as calling her a "slut", no matter how Perph twists this story), Limbaugh literally called Fluke a "slut", as in "loose woman" and a "prostitute". Letterman delivered a seven minute apology, Limbaugh doubled and tripled down before delivering a fake apology where he still lied about Fluke's "lifestyle". Those are in no way equivalent cases. Last edited by detrius; 03-06-2012 at 04:45 PM.

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Innula Zenovka Nasty Brit Wants things Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 7,105 SL Join Date: 17 June 2007 Business: Something Spunky	Forgive me if the point has been raised before, since I've not read the whole thread, but one thing that puzzles me is that, here in the UK, Limbaugh and his radio station would have probably have heard from Sandra Fluke's legal advisers by now. I realise American laws on defamation are considerably more relaxed than are ours, but can do American citizens really have no redress against bullies with their own radio shows? __________________

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Perphides Banned *SLU Supporter* Tebowing Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: The Big City Posts: 1,304 My Mood: SL Join Date: 2/10/07	All this outrage over Limbaugh's comments may well be justified, but anyone without long term memory problems remembers Bill Maher calling Sarah Palin vile names. The acceptance of liberals of that kind of behavior, repeatedly, like when Letterman called Palin a slut, kind of makes me suspect that this outrage has less to do with misogyny than it has to do with political opportunism.

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Ann Otoole Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 16,374	If Rush trademarked "What Fuckery Is This" he would make billions on royalties.

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detrius Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 7,062 My Mood:	Fuckit, I'm not even a native English speaker and even I can see that Letterman was making an inappropriate comment on Palin's fashion sense while Limbaugh was attacking Fluke's character. Everyone who's trying to depict these two scenarios as equivalent is a lying bastard.

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Ann Otoole Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 16,374	a slutty flight attendant outfit involves visible pantsu. Palin would completely destroy that thought image. The hairs would be strangling passengers.

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