Cristiano

FYI, I will never put that button on SLU.

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Polo

To be Captain Obvious: it's Cristiano's site and he can conduct it as he pleases; his judgment on what is trolling and what is not is final.

That said, I still find the person's input to be useful. Notice I did not say 'admirable' or 'respectable'...statements such as "for leftists tolerance generally = tolerating only people you agree with" and "Once again, the liberal left find themselves in total agreement with the Ku Klux Klan" are clearly not worthy of any respect. They are either (yes) trolling, or if genuinely felt and believed, evidence of a disordered thought process. (Such wild generalizing is not characteristic of a mature, healthy mind.)

In short, I don't have a problem with the person's presence, but obviously it's up to Cristiano to decide the fate of the person's account.

Cindy Claveau

Just as I said - you don't even know the meaning of "fact".

It wasn't "Created" by McCollum. It was created in the original Constitution's establishment clause. Jefferson elaborated on this in 1802:

Hugo Black was well known for his defense of civil liberties. His membership in the Klan goes back to 1921 and he wasn't named to SCOTUS until 1937.

Maybe this quote will help you get your FACTS straight:

So in other words, this is just another stupid red herring you've pulled off of some rightwing nut site thinking you can score debate points.

You fail.

NOT a fact. The "left" has no interest in doing any such thing. I, however, do not want my taxpayer dollars going to any religious organizations or supporting religious indoctrination in public schools. That's a private matter that the government shouldn't touch.

Again, NOT a fact. It's your own laughable reductio ad absurdum. The Klan's racist agenda is not contained in that bill anywhere. (You'd know that if you had any FACTS at your fingertips or could spell the word "Google"). Hugo Black was a former Klansman, as were a number of other elected officials in the early 20th century. It's a mark against his record, but he remains a staunch civil liberties advocate - hardly the stuff of Klan doctrine at all.

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Mr. B

Perhaps...

They live their lives having to be part of a group that believes just as they do – to feel safe, secure and most importantly to give meaning to their lives. As followers they cannot understand anything other than following.

Their extreme beliefs are a religion, a religion of extremes. Disagree with “them” on more than a few superficial ideas – they simply have no capacity to process the concept that there is something other than extremes where their minds are locked.

Their religion teaches that nonbelievers are cast in the image of Satan’s earthy disciples; Rush, Beck, Hannity, FOX.

They are slavishly devoted to their religion and can only understand slavish devotion. They can only believe that a nonbeliever must be slavishly devoted to Rush, Beck, Hannity, FOX.

One mind, one mind, one HiveMind…

They “all” believe the “right” must have Codes. The “right” must respond to triggers… as they do. How can it be otherwise? They cannot comprehend life without being led and so insist that everyone else must also be led. Just as they cannot comprehend anything other than extremes they cannot comprehend thought without Code, without being led, without being told what to think, what to feel.

Rush, Beck, Hannity, FOX News.

Rush, Beck, Hannity, FOX News.

Rush, Beck, Hannity, FOX News.

Rush, Beck, Hannity, FOX News.

Rush, Beck, Hannity, FOX News.

By now reading this “they” are all slobbering on their keyboards panicked and enraged – sweat dripping - what little semblance of rational thought that might have been trying to break free buried under the rage - gone.

The whistles going off in their heads like sirens…


The CODE, The CODE…




















SANTORUM !!












That – or maybe some are just goofy?


(Most of the above can be applied to many political discussion forums of many political leanings and was largely typed in jest)

(ETA: this was NOT directed at Cindy, this just happened to be a place to put it)

Tracer Graves

Cite your sources, dumbass, cause those aren't even the facts. It took me 5 minutes to show that you're wrong about McCollum v BoE

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Tracer Graves

So tell us where you disagree with Beck, Hannity, etc.

Tracer Graves

smother with a pillow?

Han Held

Well, poo.

@Polo
You'll notice I didn't ask for Perphy to be banned.

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Bard Jameson

First, that case was decided by 4 voting in the majority, four voting in Concurrence, and one dissenting. The four of the majority wrote opinions, with which the other four indicated concurrence. So the opinion was not "written by a Klansman". It was written by the court majority and agreed to by the others.

Second, Black was a Klansman for all of three years, joining in 1923 because he thought it would further his senatorial career in Alabama and leaving in 1926 because it was becoming unpopular. Hardly sounds like a dyed-in-the-wool Grand Dragon to me.

Actually the McCollum case is one case of a handful that established the legal precedent for not using public money for religious functions or causes. It established that principle for Americans, not the political left or right.

Supreme Court cases are, I'm sure you will agree, pretty good foundations upon which to determine the legality of governmental actions, whether you agree with them or not.

Further, it is not "God" that is being "eliminated from the public arena". It is the use of public resources that is being denied to people who call themselves religious for the purpose of furthering their religion - your hyperbole notwithstanding.

1. Santorum is a Catholic
2. Hitler was a Catholic
3. Ergo, Santorum is Hitler.

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Han Held

slap with a large trout?

Tracer Graves

I'm not sure he would appreciate that

Chip Midnight

Fail.

Cristiano

Bard, I have a man crush on you, and not just because of your long, woman-like hair.

Tracer Graves

Also, Supreme Court cases are the ONLY CONSTITUTIONALLY ESTABLISHED METHOD for determining the legality of government actions. You don't like it, too bad. You're going to have to amend the Constitution to change it.

I swear these constitution waving idiots need to be go back to remedial civics.

Bard Jameson

At your service!

Mr. B

/me laughs

y-u-so serious

I hear Rush maybe a total of 30 minutes every few weeks spread out over a number of days. Hannity maybe a total of 60 minutes every 2 weeks spread over any number of days. Beck almost never.
I hear "liberal" talk show hosts probably around 4 hours a week.
It is all pretty much background noise for the most part.
I don't listen to the radio at work and am oten on the phone while driving or music is on.
I don't watch FOX News.
I do end up at all sorts of "news" websites and I think they are all pretty much shit.

As far as telling you where I disagree with those people goes...
naw, no thanks.
I have no interest in playing your game of "gotcha". If something comes up in a thread I feel like talking about I will.

Cristiano

Side note, the Catholic Church would not need tax-payer funding for anything if they hadn't spent billions settling sex-abuse cases. Even so, the Church is ridiculously wealthy, and you know what the old Bible says about that. Also, they could sell off the Vatican and feed the world. Just saying.

Perphides

Truth is often spoken in jest

Tracer Graves

FTFY

Tracer Graves

And sometimes it's psychologically projected by the person who is actually guilty of said conduct.

Eris

The KKK was a very religious organization. I doubt they would have approved of a strict separation of church and state.

Imnotgoing Sideways

(^_^)

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Perphides

I never said it was the first time the establishment clause was ever referred to in a Supreme Court ruling. I said that McCollum was the genesis of our modern interpretation of it. It was also the first time that the term "separation of church and state" was established as doctrine.

Of course the establishment clause has been there since our inception, and of course it had been referred to in Supreme Court rulings, but it had never been interpreted like it was in McCollum. The only significant prior use of the specific term "separation of church and state" had been in Jefferson's letter to a church (I think in Connecticut) assuring them that the US government would never establish a state religion. It took a Klansman to apply Jefferson's writings to the establishment clause and cook up the McCollum opinion, and that didn't happen until 1947.

Unfortunately he was wrong. We have established Secular Humanism as our government-approved religion. And we have done so largely on the back of the Klan-inspired, Klan-approved, and Klan-written McCollum ruling.

Tracer Graves

I swear, when my kids get to high school, I want to organize a morning ritual around the flagpole just like I took part in morning christian prayers at the flagpole myself. We can create a magical circle, call corners and invoke the Lord and Lady . It'll be just grand.

Han Held