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Old 02-27-2012, 02:54 PM   #51 (permalink)
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More accurately stated, there is a huge divide between the altruism and sharing taught by the bible, and the jaded attempt by the left to hide their kleptocracy behind biblical principles.
Just how many buzzwords and rightwing dog whistles have you swallowed, anyway?

It's like you watch Fox all day and then run in here to regurgitate the latest idiotic Hannity insanity.

Besides, everybody knows if Jesus was alive today he'd be a liberal
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Old 02-27-2012, 03:01 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Just how many buzzwords and rightwing dog whistles have you swallowed, anyway?

It's like you watch Fox all day and then run in here to regurgitate the latest idiotic Hannity insanity.

Besides, everybody knows if Jesus was alive today he'd be a liberal
Right. Because like anything else I state on here, you know better than me. My gender, tv viewing preferences, income, place of residence, even accusing Mr. B and me of being the same person. All wrong, but no matter. It never ends.
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Why oh why oh why do you guys insist on feeding the troll?
I agree with this in 99% of cases. However, I think that this individual does a great job of revealing, in advance as it were, whatever arguments the forces of repression are using/will use to justify their actions and desires.

Thus, interacting with the individual can be helpful both for understanding the mindset of these would-be dictators, and in providing a leisurely opportunity to examine their tactics.

(I'd guess that the individual chooses to interact with those of us who are progressive in our thinking for very similar reasons. I don't see a lot of 'stir them up for the luls' sort of expression emanating from the person.)
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Old 02-27-2012, 03:04 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Right. Because like anything else I state on here, you know better than me. My gender, tv viewing preferences, income, place of residence, even accusing Mr. B and me of being the same person. All wrong, but no matter. It never ends.
I've had nothing to say about any of those topics. Nothing.

I do, however, know with certainty that you have nothing of significance to contribute to these discussions regardless of your political leanings. You're a walking, talking thesaurus of rightwing platitudes and half-digested urban myths.

Yet you wonder why people make fun of you.
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There is a HUGE divide between the altruistic, communal philosophy of basic Christianity (which is shared by most modern religions) and the narrow-minded, homophobic, misogynistic fundamentalism that spews from Santorum's mouth."
Reminds me of a bumper sticker I once saw in Texas

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Reminds me of a bumper sticker I once saw in Texas

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I liked the one I saw a little better.

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Fact check: Santorum's take on JFK, religion
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Santorum wants to go back to a time when it was illegal for Catholics like him to leave Maryland?
If he ever found himself "trapped" here, I'd gladly take him back to Pennsylvania. Tied to my front bumper, speeding up I-95 at 100.
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1. Santorum was referring to JFK and his speech on the topic, and
2. The legal doctrine of "separation of church and state" has been with us only since 1947 (McCollum v. Board of Education)
3. The 1947 ruling (delivered in 1948) was penned by Hugo Black, a documented Ku Klux Klansman and rabid anti-Catholic.
4. Once again, the liberal left find themselves in total agreement with the Ku Klux Klan.
5. Santorum was right. I also get sick at my stomach hearing the words of a Klansman echoed as liberal dogma for the past 65 years.
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:15 PM   #63 (permalink)
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1. Santorum was referring to JFK and his speech on the topic, and
2. The legal doctrine of "separation of church and state" has been with us only since 1947.
3. The 1947 ruling was penned by Hugo Black, a documented Ku Klux Klansman and rabid anti-Catholic.
4. Once again, the liberal left find themselves in total agreement with the Ku Klux Klan.
5. Santorum was right. I also get sick at my stomach hearing the words of a Klansman echoed as liberal dogma for the past 65 years.
1) He was not just referring to JFK. In talking about the comments he made, he elaborated on his feelings on the matter:

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I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state are absolute," he told 'This Week' host George Stephanopoulos. "The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country...to say that people of faith have no role in the public square? You bet that makes me want to throw up.
I'll skip the rest, and point out that your unabashed trolling makes me want to throw up.
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:19 PM   #64 (permalink)
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1) He was not just referring to JFK. In talking about the comments he made, he elaborated on his feelings on the matter:



I'll skip the rest, and point out that your unabashed trolling makes me want to throw up.
I guess you always characterize facts that show your politics for what they are as trolling.. I get it. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. It's Saul Alinsky 101.

In the meantime let's all just ignore that the rallying call of the left against religion relies on and concurs with the opinions of a Klansman.
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I guess you always characterize facts that show your politics for what they are as trolling.. I get it. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. It's Saul Alinsky 101.
No, not when other people do it, just you. You are a troll, and a barely tolerable one at that.
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:23 PM   #67 (permalink)
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I guess you always characterize facts that show your politics for what they are as trolling.
Priceless. You wouldn't know a "fact" if it smacked you square in the face.
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:25 PM   #68 (permalink)
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BTW, as separation of church and state being a relatively recent concept, from Thomas Jefferson:

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I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.
That wall cuts both ways.
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No, not when other people do it, just you. You are a troll, and a barely tolerable one at that.
Yeah, for leftists tolerance generally = tolerating only people you agree with. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to get banned for stating historical facts.
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Priceless. You wouldn't know a "fact" if it smacked you square in the face.
OK.. so I'll re-state a few FACTS, Cindy

FACT - Separation of church and state is a doctrine created legally in the USA by the McCollum opinion. That was in 1947-8.

FACT - The opinion was written by a Klansman

FACT - The McCollum opinion is the touchstone of the left's legal case for eradicating God from the public arena

FACT - Anyone who supports McCollum and its descendant doctrines is in complete and utter agreement with a Klansman

I am sure you'll make your own decisions Cindy, but as for me, I want nothing to do with Klan-approved legal theory.
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Yeah, for leftists tolerance generally = tolerating only people you agree with. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to get banned for stating historical facts.
Let me see if I can put this in terms that even you would understand:

It's not political position that determines one's acceptance in this forum. There are conservatives and there are Christians who post here without a bit of an issue.

But please note that they are actually capable of addressing a topic intelligently with FACTS instead of quoting directly from the Rightwing bible like you do.

All the crap you've posted, from your denial of Evolution and Climate Change, to your ridiculous equivalence of Obama and Santorum, tell me in bold letters that you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. You're nothing but a self-annointed Fox News mouthpiece.

You'd sicken me if you weren't so laughable.
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Yeah, for leftists tolerance generally = tolerating only people you agree with. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to get banned for stating historical facts.
Again, it is not about someone being right leaning or having different opinions. You have a unique capacity to misrepresent facts and selectively read things, and ignore the parts you don't like. I gave you the benefit of the doubt for awhile, but your posts consistently follow a pattern. There are other conservative posters here, for example, Mr. B, who I don't agree with 99% of the time, but he is not someone who is just openly trolling for sport. You are.

BTW, the idea that enforcing separation of church and state is "going against religion" is preposterous. It is ensuring that the religion of others does not encroach upon the rights and freedoms of everyone. It is such a simple concept to understand. Santorum openly wants a Catholic theocracy in this country, and to impose the Christian version of Sharia Law. Religious beliefs have no place or role in the laws of this country. They can certainly inform a person's views, but that does not mean they in turn can impose that on others.
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1. Santorum was referring to JFK and his speech on the topic, and
2. The legal doctrine of "separation of church and state" has been with us only since 1947 (McCollum v. Board of Education)
3. The 1947 ruling (delivered in 1948) was penned by Hugo Black, a documented Ku Klux Klansman and rabid anti-Catholic.
4. Once again, the liberal left find themselves in total agreement with the Ku Klux Klan.
5. Santorum was right. I also get sick at my stomach hearing the words of a Klansman echoed as liberal dogma for the past 65 years.
1) Ad Hominem arguments will get you nowhere.

2) There is more than one Supreme Court Justice, you tool. He didn't issue that decision by decree. 7 out of the remaining 8 judges agreed with him.

3) Separation was well established before 1948 (like, it's in the Constitution, d00d)

4) McCollum v. Board of Education dissallowed using public schools for religious instruction and does not fall anywhere close to establishing your narrative.

5) He joined the KKK to get votes and admitted it was a mistake later in life. That doesn't excuse him in my book, but that's the reality. Pesky facts, I know.

6) Which party gets the KKK demographic these days?

7) STFU troll
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someone who is just openly trolling for sport. You are.
If we gotta put up with bein his sport, we should at least get the rusty screwdriver button. Fair is fair.
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The funny part is, those who scream the loudest about the war on religion and that it should be ok to have religion in the public square would freak the fuck out if it were a Muslim prayer banner hanging in a school, or teachings from the Koran on a wall in a courthouse. At least frame it for what it really is - freedom for Christianity, period.
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