Cristiano

It was bad enough to many that Chris Brown won a Grammy last night, but what is more disturbing are the tweets by female fans wishing they could be beaten by him:

Chris Brown on Grammys: Girls tweet he can beat them anytime – Moms At Work – Orlando Sentinel

That piece of trash should be given a prison sentence for attempted murder and battery, not a fucking Grammy. It is sad that there are many who think it was Rihanna's fault or that beating a woman is somehow not only acceptable but desirable.

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Morgoth

To be honest, disturbing as they are, I think it's unfair to single out those tweets as representative of any widespread reaction. Fans are not known for being rational. Whilst I think it's messed up they'd forgive him much less talk about being okay with being beaten by him, it stands to reason some would take their fangirlism this far, sadly. Especially given any fans who disapproved strongly enough of Chris Brown's abusive tendencies wouldn't be fans any more at this point.

And I agree he should not have gotten a grammy, and it's ridiculous that apparently Janet Jackson wasn't allowed at the grammys for showing her nipple*, and yet this abuser gets to appear on the show without censure.

More annoying than him being there on the first place is the apparent attempt to sort of play the abusiveness off as some sort of temporary mistake he's been unfairly vilified for.

*- I pay little attention to celebrity things on general and even less so American ones, I can't vouch for the accuracy of this and read it in a comment somewhere.

DoctorZen

Re: millions of women who think a night of heavily-implied violent sex (and begging for more afterwards) and rib-and spine-breaking childbirth complete with fang-assisted c-section is some of the best romantic fiction ever written. And that's just fiction.

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Free Xue

I'd like to beat on them for being imbeciles.

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Ingrid

is there another planet i can move to?

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Thystle Blackheart

Fucking hell, if I'd raised a daughter that'd say something like this, I'd be mortified for my failure to instill basic self-esteem and self-respect in her.

Cristiano

Chris Brown, the Grammys and the message sent to teens, kids - The Answer Sheet - The Washington Post

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Maggiedoll Alter

/me points to this as evidence that the "entitlement" people complain about in teens is actually just the impulsiveness, unstable emotions, and poor judgement that are the reason they're called KIDS and not ADULTS.

Richie Waves

This guy should be out in the wilderness for the rest of his life... sickening amnesia by the music industry.

Ann Launay

This made me laugh the first time I saw it:


And revisited at 1:30:

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Shiloh Lyric

Not referring to Chris Brown, but to this in general....yes, there are a lot of teens who have a strong sense of entitlement, and I have met several who carry that with them into ADULTHOOD from when they're KIDS. Whatever these delusional young girls are suffering from in the current thread does not mean that teens with a sense of self-entitlement don't exist. Because they most certainly do. They may also suffer from everything else you mentioned, but believe me when I say that some of them firmly believe that the world owes them a lot, and they don't tend to lose that feeling unless something drastic changes in their lives.

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Maggiedoll Alter

I don't think I said anywhere that there are no self-entitled people or self-entitled teens in the world.

But a lot of people talk about a general self-entitlement as a characteristic of teens that I think is a misinterpretation of behaviors that would more accurately be attributed to impulsiveness or poor judgement or plain old immaturity. People jump on the "teens are self-entitled" bandwagon and don't bother to think about other reasons that some of them will display similar behaviors. To some extent, even symptoms of low self esteem (in kids and adults, really) seem to be frequently described "self-entitled" behavior. On that I'm thinking largely of learned helplessness type things, where people just don't believe that they're capable of changing their situation. In a lot of cases it's really hard to tell the difference between somebody who feels self-entitled and somebody who feels powerless.

To say that I think that as a group there's less self-entitlement in teens than a lot of adults seem to believe isn't an argument against the existence of any self-entitled people. There are plenty of self-entitled people, under and over the age of 18.

Zaida Gearbox

Some of my RL friends on Facebook were asking me how I could have not watched the Grammys. Besides the fact that I didn't even know it was on - I don't like award shows. They're boring. But, if I had been inclined to watch, I would have shut it off the minute I realized Chris Brown was going to be on it.

Shiloh Lyric

Thanks for clarifying. Your post didn't specify, so it appeared that you were talking about all teens. That none of them really possessed a sense of entitlement.

Maggiedoll Alter

I almost never talk about all of anything, unless it's outright definitional.

I don't believe in all and none or always and never. (Except for exceptions, of course.)

Coyote Momiji

Because there are plenty of women who think that if a man wounds you, you should shut the fuck up and take it and be grateful for it.

I know there's at least one here.

Seyla Warden

Damnit Ann now I have another youtube channel to follow.

Those guys are awesome.

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Cajsa Lilliehook

I think how society and the media respond to domestic violence is even more depressing than how they respond to rape. It seems the only sympathetic victims of domestic violence are the dead ones.

Most of the domestic violence with living victims that is considered newsworthy involves celebrity and is very problematic. Take Rihanna and Chris Brown, the immediate reaction was full of discussion of what she may have done to provoke and deserve it. There was an incredible amount of hostility directed toward Rihanna because her abuse resulted in his arrest.

Whitney Houston and Bobbi Brown? The media coverage of that was riddled with ridicule and racism.

Currently there is the coverage of Taylor Armstrong whose husband committed suicide when facing several lawsuits alleging fraud and embezzlement. This case seems especially instructive in that her husband was a predicate offender who has been convicted of spousal battery and in court documents and arrest records is a well-documented abuser who abused his first wife, a former fiance, his son and beat a friend of his wife, Taylor, unconscious and who was arrested for that. Nonetheless, the fact that she was erratic, told friends one day that her marriage was falling apart and the next that they were so in love, that she spoke of being abused and then denied it and behaved like a fairly typical abuse victim is being examined by the media as proof that she is lying - despite his abuse of at least 4 other people and his admission in court of getting physical with her.

Again and again, women who are abused are to blame in the media. and so how surprising is it that children emulate that idea?

Shiloh Lyric

I heard the same things about Rihanna after Chris Brown beat her up and I was just as disgusted then as I am now. Short of him actually being in a position to defend himself against her (which he WAS NOT according to all reports), any abuse against her was NOT her fault. I don't care if she snooped in his cell phone, I don't care if she verbally abused him, I don't care if she called him a small-dicked pinhead, in no way did she deserve to be hit by him.

The young girls posting that they would like to be beat by him, I would bet have never been hit by a guy in their lives and can't really fathom how that feels. Those of us who have been, wouldn't normally beg for it (outside of consensual BDSM-which still shouldn't involve beating in my mind) from anyone. I don't care how famous, or infamous, the person appears to be. Or how "hot" one thinks the person is. Non-consensual violence has absolutely no place in a relationship. If a guy does that once, he won't hesitate to do it again. Chris Brown doesn't even deserve to have a career.

Sredni Eel

It's really fucked up that people idolize that guy. Frankly, he should be thrown into a little box and tied up with string, then dumped into the Marianis Trench. And someone seriously needs to (ironically) bitchslap his followers upside the head.

What the hell is wrong with those people? Professor Farnsworth is correct. I also don't want to live on this planet anymore.

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Ingrid

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Aschen

To play devil's advocate for these teens, some of them might have grown up with parents, or other authority figures, like the ones who have either ignored or dismissed Chris Brown's actions. I mean, when the few celebrity figures, like Usher, remonstrate the man, then are forced to publicly appologize for it, how are these girls going to react? They're going to think it's okay if a guy beats you, as long as he's cute or famous enough, because that's the way the rest of the world, in their eyes, is reacting.

I always consider kids and teens to be more of a reflection of their surroundings and society than adults, because for the most part they haven't developed the layers of personality and cognitive reasoning yet to sift through what information and evidence is given to them.

I'd love to find a petition of some kind in protest of Chris Brown's being rewarded. Demonstrate a of tide of opinion that shows that Brown's behavior is wrong and the lack of reaction is just as bad.

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Cristiano

Stay classy, trashball:

Chris Brown Curses Out Twitter Critics, Tries to Delete Evidence

DoctorZen

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