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Asher Bertrand · 12-25-2011, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Evola

The newsletter issue has been rehashed for years, everyone knows about it, yet amazingly according to CNN's most recent polling he still leads in non-white votes over all the other republican candidates.

So has everyone else and your mother, at some point.

Coyote Momiji · 12-25-2011, 12:48 AM

Dear fucking god I am so tired of false equivalencies.

**Void** · 12-25-2011, 01:39 AM

amazing.. apparently not being white makes you black... and gay!

**Joshua Nightshade** · 12-25-2011, 02:42 AM

Ron Paul's Homophobia In Context |Gay News|Gay Blog Towleroad

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As the furor over Ron Paul's 20-year-old, allegedly racist/homophobic/classist/sexist/whatever newsletters has raged on and on, more than one thoughtful soul has wondered if Dr. Paul might not be being quoted out of context. It is certainly possible, say, to imagine a context in which this quote might be harmless:

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...the largest blood bank in San Francisco ... holds blood drives in the gay Castro district, where people give at three times the usual level. Either they are public spirited, or they're trying to poison the blood supply.

... for example, by ending it with the phrase: "Though obviously anyone who believes that is a misanthropic crank who should never, under any circumstances, be taken seriously."

Well, now we know for a fact what Ron Paul really wrote, thanks to The New Republic. And man, he really didn't like gays. (And yes, it seems Ron Paul really did write these things, no matter what he says, because they're filled with utterances like ""Just because I favor the legalization of drugs doesn't mean I'm in favor of using them. As a physician, I know they're bad stuff.") TNR has scanned page after page of Dr. Paul's old newsletters, and again and again he displays the most atrocious paranoia -- he really seems to have believed, in the late 80's and early 90s, that the gays wanted to rape children, desecrate the Eucharist (which, to be fair, some of us do), die young of atrocious diseases on the taxpayer's dime, and give everyone AIDS.

TNR Exclusive: A Collection Of Ron Paul

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The September 1994 issue of the Ron Paul Survival Report states that “those who don’t commit sodomy, who don’t get blood a transfusion, and who don’t swap needles, are virtually assured of not getting AIDS unless they are deliberately infected by a malicious gay.”

The June 1990 issue of the Political Report says: “I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities.”

A January 1994 edition of the Survival Report states that "gays in San Francisco do not obey the dictates of good sense," adding: "[T]hese men don't really see a reason to live past their fifties. They are not married, they have no children, and their lives are centered on new sexual partners." Also, "they enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick."

Hey Ebola, bite me.

Cajsa Lilliehook · 12-25-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Evola

I don't see how this is any different than Reverend Wright.

ps. I don't think it'll matter for Paul at the ballot box any more that it did for Obama with his supporters.

Jeremiah Wright is not Obama.
Jeremiah Wright was not Obama's ghost writer.
Jeremiah Wright did not work for Obama.

I actually don't believe Ron Paul's claim that he did not author those newsletters. They are full of references to his work and references to Paul in the first person. There have been textual analyses that conclude that he wrote them. I don't find Paul credible on this as all. A more credible and acceptable response would be for Paul to take responsibility and admit his error and claim his worldview on race has changed. Sen. Byrd was once a member of the KKK but came to denounce and apologize for his past errors and lend his support to civil rights issues. His claim that he did not write is, to me, more damaging than the letters themselves because I can believe people can change.

By refusing responsibility he shows himself to be either a liar and racist or someone too incompetent to even run a newsletter. Saying he didn't write them does not account for their publication not just in his newsletter but under his name.

And let me repeat, Jeremiah Wright is not Obama. Ron Paul, the publisher of those newsletter, is Ron Paul.

That is one hell of a difference.

Lucifer Baphomet · 12-25-2011, 12:47 PM

Of course, on this 1995 interview, he discusses the newsletters, and seems familiar with the contents (admittedly he only discusses the economic points in then, but I find it hard to believe he only knew part of what was in them)

Dr. Ron Paul 1995 Interview - YouTube

Gabriell Anatra · 12-25-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Void

amazing.. apparently not being white makes you black... and gay!

That's the media for you.

There can only be two, one winner and one loser. Anything else would confuse the poor st . . er, viewers.

Asher Bertrand · 12-25-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajsa Lilliehook

I actually don't believe Ron Paul's claim that he did not author those newsletters. They are full of references to his work and references to Paul in the first person.

Oh, I believe they were ghost-written. A lot of politicians don't have very good writing skills.

I write for politicians for a living now. I suppose you could say I do some of this ghost writing. It's up to the politician if they want things phrased in the first person or third, and the writers handle that as they're asked.

HOWEVER.

In my meager one week of experience so far, I also know that NOTHING is released until it has been checked, rechecked and the politician him or herself has signed off on it.

If you are a politician, nothing is worth more to you than your personal brand, and you guard that at all costs. Or you pay the price for not doing that. (see: Ron Paul).

Cajsa Lilliehook · 12-26-2011, 02:35 PM

such as this video

Ron Paul Took Credit For Controversial Newsletters In 1995 Interview (VIDEO)

but frankly, his authorship is immaterial. They were published in his name in his newsletter. There is not credible claim of innocence. The only credible claim is realizing he was wrong and changing his worldview, but it's telling that he does not do that. Instead he lies.

**Void** · 12-26-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajsa Lilliehook

Jeremiah Wright is not Obama.
Jeremiah Wright was not Obama's ghost writer.
Jeremiah Wright did not work for Obama.
[...]

also adding...
Obama did not pay Jeremiah Wright for what he said
Obama did not receive any compensation at all for what Jeremiah Wright said
Obama did not know in advance what Jeremiah Wright was going to say

**Cristiano** · 12-26-2011, 05:43 PM

Eric Dondero, Former Ron Paul Aide, Addresses Newsletters

Free Xue · 12-26-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

Eric Dondero, Former Ron Paul Aide, Addresses Newsletters

Paul is not a gay hater but he won't use our bathrooms. Paul is not a bigot but he's "out of touch" with the black and Hispanic communities, and hates when someone speaks only Spanish in his presence. Paul is not an anti-semite, but Israel must go!

There's so many buts in this guy's statement you'd think he was putting out a 10-hour all-star orgy film.

**Cristiano** · 12-26-2011, 08:23 PM

I can't believe Ron Paul would have the audacity to swat away someone's hand when they offered it because he was gay. He is lucky the guy didn't punch him. What a pathetic old douchebag.

Lucifer Baphomet · 12-26-2011, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

I can't believe Ron Paul would have the audacity to swat away someone's hand when they offer it because he was gay. He is lucky the guy didn't punch him. What a pathetic old douchebag.

BUT, HE'S NOT HOMOPHOBIC

AshaSekayi Ra · 12-26-2011, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mocksoup Graves

20 years ago I said some pretty racist things. I didn't realise how racist they were at the time. Same with 10 years ago, but then my boyfriend handed me a book from David Duke, and I realised how unintentionally bigoted I had been, and how racist he was being INTENTIONALLY.
10 years ago, I was against gay marriage, but for civil unions.
20 years ago, I was against civil unions.
25 years ago, I thought gays were sinners and needed to be reeducated to follow the Lord.
13 years ago, I believed that The Church was true, and I shouldn't drink Mt Dew because it was against the Word Of Wisdom
12 years ago, I was having a crisis of faith.

Beliefs can evolve.

Of course, a person can change over time after experiencing life. However, Paul has shown zero proof of change. He actually has proven that he has the same racist and homophobic view, and he is hiding his hatred behind a subtler mask now because he is aiming for higher offices outside his regular backwards area.

Beyond that, he has never apologized for the content of that newsletter. So, there is just no reason to think this is a case of a reformed hatemonger.

Chip Midnight · 12-26-2011, 11:59 PM

I just saw a comment on a story at Washington Post about Paul's ties to white supremacist Lew Rockwell that said it's impossible for a Libertarian to be a racist because they see everyone as an individual and not part of a collective. The naive idealism of his college age supporters is so cute I just want to pinch their little cheeks, right before I cuff them upside the head.

Zaida Gearbox · 12-27-2011, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chip Midnight

I just saw a comment on a story at Washington Post about Paul's ties to white supremacist Lew Rockwell that said it's impossible for a Libertarian to be a racist because they see everyone as an individual and not part of a collective. The naive idealism of his college age supporters is so cute I just want to pinch their little cheeks, right before I cuff them upside the head.

Could you start with my kid? :-X

**Joshua Nightshade** · 12-27-2011, 06:16 AM

Libertarians are simply Republicans with no money.

**Joshua Nightshade** · 12-27-2011, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua Nightshade

Libertarians are simply Republicans with no money.

Oh, and they like pot.

**Joshua Nightshade** · 12-27-2011, 09:07 AM

Former Aide: Ron Paul 'Personally Uncomfortable' Sharing Bathroom Facilities and Shaking Hands with Gays |Gay News|Gay Blog Towleroad

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In 1988, Ron had a hardcore Libertarian supporter, Jim Peron, Owner of Laissez Faire Books in San Francisco. Jim set up a magnificent 3-day campaign swing for us in the SF Bay Area. Jim was what you would call very openly Gay. But Ron thought the world of him. For 3 days we had a great time trouncing from one campaign event to another with Jim’s Gay lover. The atmosphere was simply jovial between the four of us. (As an aside we also met former Cong. Pete McCloskey during this campaign trip.) We used Jim’s home/office as a “base.” Ron pulled me aside the first time we went there, and specifically instructed me to find an excuse to excuse him to a local fast food restaurant so that he could use the bathroom. He told me very clearly, that although he liked Jim, he did not wish to use his bathroom facilities. I chided him a bit, but he sternly reacted, as he often did to me, Eric, just do what I say. Perhaps “sternly” is an understatement. Ron looked at me directly, and with a very angry look in his eye, and shouted under his breath: “Just do what I say NOW.”

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“Bobby,” a well-known and rather flamboyant and well-liked gay man in Freeport came to the BBQ. Let me stress Ron likes Bobby personally, and Bobby was a hardcore campaign supporter. But after his speech, at the Surfside pavilion Bobby came up to Ron with his hand extended, and according to my fellow staffer, Ron literally swatted his hand away.

**Joshua Nightshade** · 12-27-2011, 09:25 AM

Heh.

https://twitter.com/#!/RP_Newsletter

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If there is one thing we don't need in this country, it's more Haitian immigrants with AIDS.

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Just look at the clothing young people wear today (baggy jeans, backwards hats, high-top sneakers)...

...and the music they listen to (which has a thumping beat once heard on safari).

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Whites don't vote for candidates that promise to promote white interests, whereas blacks & Hispanics do.

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As whites are dying off, they are not replacing themselves. Meanwhile, Asian immigration is taking off & black births are booming.

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AIDS carriers should not be mixed with regular patients, let alone healthy babies.

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Polls show Bill Clinton's major negatives to be: history of sexual infidelity, kowtowing to blacks, and possible drug use.

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If you have to use a gun on a youth, you should leave the scene immediately, disposing of the wiped off gun as soon as possible.

He's nutty as fuck.

Asher Bertrand · 12-27-2011, 09:45 AM

I knew it was bad, but holy shit. That makes me sick.

Coyote Momiji · 12-27-2011, 01:32 PM

Fucking hell.

And, you know what - at this point anyone who tries to handwave it away is gonna get serious side-eye.

Ann Otoole · 12-27-2011, 01:53 PM

Ron and Newt are in a contest for who is the best thing that ever happened to Obama's campaign lol.

Teeny Leviathan · 12-27-2011, 03:24 PM

I've read many news items on this topic and the comments posted from readers. There seems to be this crazy meme going around about how polls show Ron Paul having major support from the black community. I can't speak for all of us, but I'd really like to see a link to one of those alleged "polls".

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Cajsa Lilliehook Alleged Senior Member Gobsmacked by Perfidy Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Second Life Posts: 285 SL Join Date: July 27, 2007 Business: It's Only Fashion & Blogging Second Life Client: Exodus	He claims them in other contexts such as this video Ron Paul Took Credit For Controversial Newsletters In 1995 Interview (VIDEO) but frankly, his authorship is immaterial. They were published in his name in his newsletter. There is not credible claim of innocence. The only credible claim is realizing he was wrong and changing his worldview, but it's telling that he does not do that. Instead he lies.

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Cristiano Hive Mind Director Amish Mafia 4EVER Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 23,085 My Mood: SL Join Date: Dec 2002 Business: ANOmations Client: Viewer 2 Blog Entries: 18	I can't believe Ron Paul would have the audacity to swat away someone's hand when they offered it because he was gay. He is lucky the guy didn't punch him. What a pathetic old douchebag.

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Teeny Leviathan 10 F***n' Years! Impertinent, ill-nurtured, hedge-pig* Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,849 SL Join Date: 05/20/2003	I've read many news items on this topic and the comments posted from readers. There seems to be this crazy meme going around about how polls show Ron Paul having major support from the black community. I can't speak for all of us, but I'd really like to see a link to one of those alleged "polls".

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