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Old 07-01-2011, 11:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Congress Wants To Make Streaming A Felony

QUOTE!! Here they go again: Big business's lobbyists are launching another attack on Internet freedom. Senators are considering a "Ten Strikes" bill to make it a felony to stream copyrighted content -- like music in the background of a Youtube video -- more than ten times.... !!QUOTE

URGENT: Congress Wants To Make Streaming A Felony | Demand Progress

I don't know if it is true, but if it is.... Hopefully someone can get more info on this.
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If this happens a LOT of people on youtube will become criminals. and the YouTube poopers will be ......oh god!
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Now (bear with me, I'm more stupid than usual today) does that also affect sites like Netflix that stream movies and tv shows, or do sites like that have contracts with the copyright holders?
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Now (bear with me, I'm more stupid than usual today) does that also affect sites like Netflix that stream movies and tv shows, or do sites like that have contracts with the copyright holders?
Netflix definitely has contracts with copyright holders.

One interesting side effect of this law would be the criminalization of video any time copyrighted music is playing in the background ... for example if you video a police officer in the act of misconduct at a concert, or parade, or demonstration.

It won't take long before police realize they can just turn on their radios or pop in a CD before shooting a subdued suspect in the back (ala BART). The evidence of their crime will be illegal to show.
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Netflix definitely has contracts with copyright holders.

One interesting side effect of this law would be the criminalization of video any time copyrighted music is playing in the background ... for example if you video a police officer in the act of misconduct at a concert, or parade, or demonstration.

It won't take long before police realize they can just turn on their radios or pop in a CD before shooting a subdued suspect in the back (ala BART). The evidence of their crime will be illegal to show.
You know, I didn't even think of that. I swear, the entertainment industry will stop at nothing to clutch at the tiniest scraps of money they can scrape from the public.


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If this happens a LOT of people on youtube will become criminals. and the YouTube poopers will be ......oh god!
If this did happen YouTube would shrink by about 9/10ths within a month.

Net radio would just die as well. SL'd take a pretty big hit too.
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For that matter how many public venues use streamed music these days? I'd venture to say that a lot of them aren't too careful about copyright all the time.

Almost every child in the country would probably end up with several of their 'strikes' already used up before they get out of high school.

That's probably why the ten bit. If they'd made it three we'd all have to use earphones all the time in public for fear that someone would try to prosecute for an unauthorized 'public performance'.

Not that it makes a big difference though.
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there is so much that this would effect that it's beyond reason. Trying to stop piracy is one thing but this is just bonkers.
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It won't take long before police realize they can just turn on their radios or pop in a CD before shooting a subdued suspect in the back (ala BART). The evidence of their crime will be illegal to show.
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Net radio would just die as well. SL'd take a pretty big hit too.
Illegal net radio would, but sites like Pandora, Slacker, and Live365 all pay royalties so they're perfectly legal.

I've never understood why YouTube doesn't do what Live365 does and simply provide fields to fill out about any backing music for a video that can then be used to pay royalties to SoundExchange and provide ecommerce links to Amazon and iTunes or their own service. It then becomes a revenue stream for bands and labels. You can bet that behind the scenes it's the NAB that's lobbying hard to kill YouTube as a place where people go to hear music, just as they've tried hard to kill internet radio.
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Illegal net radio would, but sites like Pandora, Slacker, and Live365 all pay royalties so they're perfectly legal.

I've never understood why YouTube doesn't do what Live365 does and simply provide fields to fill out about any backing music for a video that can then be used to pay royalties to SoundExchange and provide ecommerce links to Amazon and iTunes or their own service. It then becomes a revenue stream for bands and labels. You can bet that behind the scenes it's the NAB that's lobbying hard to kill YouTube as a place where people go to hear music, just as they've tried hard to kill internet radio.

I like Pandora, but playback is iffy on this machine as it eats about 100% of the cpu and still faults frequently. I've not tried Slacker as it errors out with a flash error. I've not tried Live365 yet.

As a rule if it has a media stream url that I can access it's good to go, otherwise it's not going to work well.
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Netflix definitely has contracts with copyright holders.

One interesting side effect of this law would be the criminalization of video any time copyrighted music is playing in the background ... for example if you video a police officer in the act of misconduct at a concert, or parade, or demonstration.

It won't take long before police realize they can just turn on their radios or pop in a CD before shooting a subdued suspect in the back (ala BART). The evidence of their crime will be illegal to show.
I think the present state of affairs is that you have to obtain the officer(s)' consent to voice record them in many jurisdictions, else you are committing a crime by making a voice record without consent. However, silent videos are legal with or without consent of the officer(s).

Of course, I hope this ridiculous pandering to the moneyed interests is stopped. But more important, I hope that this voice recording thing with respect to officers is undone. "Oh, officer, may I record the sounds while you beat on this person?"
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I think the present state of affairs is that you have to obtain the officer(s)' consent to voice record them in many jurisdictions, else you are committing a crime by making a voice record without consent. However, silent videos are legal with or without consent of the officer(s).
Not exactly. The police have been chronically misusing state wiretapping laws to arrest people who were recording them. Some states are "one-party consent" states, meaning at least one person being recorded must consent. Other states are "two-party consent" states, meaning everybody being recorded must consent. There are no special laws that forbid recording police, the wiretapping law covers everybody (and most of the time the police realize they're in the wrong and simply charge people who record them with "disorderly conduct" or some other throwaway charge).

But as the name implies (WIREtapping) was intended to address when police or civilians can legally record private telephone conversations. Police have had mixed results pushing idea that everybody being recorded in a public space must give consent in two-party states. The term generally thrown around is "reasonable expectation of privacy" ... which police seem to think they have when they're hitting somebody with a baton in a park. In most cases, it's not even the consent that matters, its disclosure (that is, you can record people without their consent in public, you just can't do it on the sly).

This misuse of wiretapping laws is absurd and it's being challenged more and more by the ACLU. A lot of photographers are starting to be awarded decent damages after they've been wrongfully detained or arrested for recording officers.

So I think the idea of criminalizing recordings that contain copyrighted audio (and even copyrighted imagery) is very much relevant.

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Well then I would have plenty of blackmail material and shit like this wouldn't be coming up.
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I've never understood why YouTube doesn't do what Live365 does and simply provide fields to fill out about any backing music for a video that can then be used to pay royalties to SoundExchange and provide ecommerce links to Amazon and iTunes or their own service.
They kinda do with Audioswap Chip. Also Vimeo can be added as pre-roll if you want to use more artists than Audioswap. Not sure who gets the royalties, but it's underwritten by Youtube.
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They kinda do with Audioswap Chip. Also Vimeo can be added as pre-roll if you want to use more artists than Audioswap. Not sure who gets the royalties, but it's underwritten by Youtube.
That's pretty cool, but definitely not ideal. It replaces the audio track completely so you can't use any of their tracks as a backing track mixed with other audio.

YouTube has become a great place for music discovery, especially for niche genres like prog. In those cases it's a benefit to artists. I've uploaded several tracks by a UK band called Amplifier because I wanted people to hear them. One of the comments on one of the tracks I uploaded is from the band's drummer, not to complain but to let people know about the release of their latest CD. Hope it got them a few extra sales. I play the heck out of them on my Live365 station too. Looking at my stats for last month about 25 people clicked through to buy CDs from various tracks I play - every bit helps for niche artists. The people who really object are traditional OTA broadcasters through the NAB. We internet broadcasters take away some of their previously captive audience.
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