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Old 12-03-2010, 01:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Wikileaks Under Siege

Wikileaks continues to struggle with keeping their site online as they have been hit with repeated ddos attacks, as well as losing hosts and their domain:

WikiLeaks' Online Presence Imperiled By Attacks
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Old 12-03-2010, 01:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wikileaks continues to struggle with keeping their site online as they have been hit with repeated ddos attacks, as well as losing hosts and their domain:

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awww too fuckin bad. he can dish it out but he cannot take it
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Interesting how this is escalating now that he's going after banks.

Shows you where the power is really concentrated.

He needs to release that Bank of America info ASAP before it can be buried.
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I thought he got some european domain pretty much immediately after this happened to host it
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I thought he got some european domain pretty much immediately after this happened to host it
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The Swiss address directs traffic to servers in France, where Industry Minister Eric Besson called it unacceptable to host a site that "violates the secret of diplomatic relations and puts people protected by diplomatic secret in danger."


The general manager of French web hosting company OVH, Octave Klaba, confirmed that it had been hosting WikiLeaks since early Thursday, after a client asked for a "dedicated server with ... protection against attacks."
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Wikileaks.ch, is owned by the Swiss Pirate Party, formed two years ago to campaign for freedom of information. Its officials said they had met with WikiLeaks Assange and provided him with information about how to seek asylum in Switzerland.
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Also, this:

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange seeking asylum in Switzerland over fears for his safety
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The Swiss will sell him out in a heartbeat.
only if he actually goes after the banking cartel
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I wouldn't fear for his safety, a few people on this planet can accept/face how fucked up and corrupt all our governments and institutions are. By killing Assange a lot more will join the fold.
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I wouldn't fear for his safety, a few people on this planet can accept/face how fucked up and corrupt all our governments and institutions are. By killing Assange a lot more will join the fold.
Yeah, in the age of information, killing a person like him wouldn't work so well anymore. They're going to do what they've been doing: discredit and character-assassinate until no one cares if he does live or die.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling that Wikileak's little war is only going to push US politicians towards killing Net Neutrality in the US, to make sure no one can expose, like Julian is threatening to, how much DC is in the pocket of the banks and corporations.
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I wouldn't fear for his safety, a few people on this planet can accept/face how fucked up and corrupt all our governments and institutions are. By killing Assange a lot more will join the fold.

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Interesting how this is escalating now that he's going after banks.

Shows you where the power is really concentrated.

He needs to release that Bank of America info ASAP before it can be buried.
What was the SLU reaction when I suggested the banks were more willing to deal with the problem?
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Old 12-03-2010, 05:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Wikileaks continues to struggle with keeping their site online as they have been hit with repeated ddos attacks, as well as losing hosts and their domain

I hope that governments and corporations, by fighting WikiLeaks, are going to achieve the opposite of what they want. First of all, it shows how close to a Chinese-style system of censorship the Western world really is. I'm sure the Chinese leadership is watching these events with great interest.

WikiLeaks is the truth that our governments don't want us to know. It's our collective Tiananmen Square massacre. It is the proverbial red pill offered to everyone of us.
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I hope that governments and corporations, by fighting WikiLeaks, are going to achieve the opposite of what they want. First of all, it shows how close to a Chinese-style system of censorship the Western world really is. I'm sure the Chinese leadership is watching these events with great interest.

WikiLeaks is the truth that our governments don't want us to know. It's our collective Tiananmen Square massacre. It is the proverbial red pill offered to everyone of us.

oh be real. its not any of those things. this leak had no great revelations and nothing that any discerning person wasn't well on their way to suspecting and most of it is government as usual. the only thing untoward about this entire mess is that it was used solely on the US. every other government in the entire world acts and reacts in the exact same way, however, and they probably don't want their private communications out for the entire world to see nor should this communication be made public and, quite frankly, it is naive to think that it is in your country's or even your own best interests to not be able to communicate privately. I'm sure you have communications that you think would best be private too.

wikileaks published some superficial communications but what is disturbing is that it could have been much worse. there are no watergate style revelations or scandals. there is no particular smoking gun. even those middle eastern governments who got caught saying iran is a stinking pile of shit and they hope the us takes it out are kind of shrugging and going "yeah so what? this is news?"

there is no way anything larger will come to light and there's no government in the world that will let this idiot continue with his nonsense.
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there is no way anything larger will come to light and there's no government in the world that will let this idiot continue with his nonsense.
Then they have to eliminate everyone that participated and everyone that supports wikileaks. That is a lot of people to eliminate.

Since they would never get away with it I assume they will go for the marginalization process and all those people will find themselves unemployable and identities ripped and credit whacked. And all the other fun stuff that happens like there is always a cop around for every traffic infraction no matter how minor, etc. Spouses suddenly filing for divorce and appearing with impossible to beat power attorneys they could never afford, child porn appearing on their hard drives, etc. etc.

Fuck with the wrong people and you may as well commit suicide. Or get used to living under a bridge with daily beatings. Either way your pleasant association with humanity will be ended.

Better to be a nobody. And not touch radioactive stuff.
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well i think its fair to say that if you play around with radioactive stuff you should expect a little radiation poisoning. i'm not saying this guy was right and i'm not saying he was wrong. i am saying, however, that he attacked the us and doing that has repercussions.
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I wouldn't fear for his safety, a few people on this planet can accept/face how fucked up and corrupt all our governments and institutions are. By killing Assange a lot more will join the fold.
Every amateur spy who watches TV knows that you don't assassinate someone like this. You discredit them.
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So far with all the WikiLeaks releases I think what's been most surprising is that more than anything it confirms that things aren't that bad since almost everything revealed has already been reported or widely speculated. People just don't care. No matter how good the reporting about torture, the bullshit leadup to the Iraq war, how deeply in bed the government is with Goldman Sachs, it's still Limbaugh, Beck, and the rest of the flat out liars and conspiracy theorists that get people worked up over bullshit. How do we fix stupid?
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OVH security is top level I'm customer there. Now that doesn't mean a DDOS would not block it. If they succeed at keeping it working that will be a nice promo for them.

Eric Besson was a socialist he turned coat to follow Sarkozy during the last campaign so he is considered like a traitor by most, left of right. He does the nasty jobs.


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OVH is rubbish. They are a *terrible* ISP; we've got a pair of servers with them which I am happy to say are just about completely migrated elsewhere.

Try putting a support ticket in and waiting how long it is to get a reply. We had a server go down for several hours and they didn't reply to the ticket until two days later. When asked the cause of the disruption, they couldn't supply one.

Another story, we did a dist-ugprade on Ubuntu-server LTS, and ended up botching the bootloader; we filed a request, got a reply hours later (after our tech phoned repeatedly to harrass someone to look at it). The techs at OVH restarted the machine into a repair mode, then never told us or notified us that we were supposed to login and fix it ourselves now. :|

Knowing Cris's great SEO optimisation, I do hope this particular kvetch helps someone else in avoiding them. >_> They are cheap, some of their bundled services are great (e.g. free port monitoring, etc); but their support/service is just shockingly bad.
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Yeah their supports lacks but that doesn't mean their security is low. I usually get an answer in 24 hours which is sufficient for my needs. I would not run something critical with them it's true.
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So far with all the WikiLeaks releases I think what's been most surprising is that more than anything it confirms that things aren't that bad since almost everything revealed has already been reported or widely speculated. People just don't care. No matter how good the reporting about torture, the bullshit leadup to the Iraq war, how deeply in bed the government is with Goldman Sachs, it's still Limbaugh, Beck, and the rest of the flat out liars and conspiracy theorists that get people worked up over bullshit. How do we fix stupid?
Well I think it's like a matter of public secrets, stuff that pretty much everyone already knows, but has no actual proof of it. But the proof is important, everyone kinda figures that various politicians are receiving large bribes from corporations and banks and what not, but actual proof of that would be crippling.
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People just don't care.
Pretty much. It isn't about stupid, it just about not caring. People don't care about things unless they affect them or someone they care about. It isn't about ignorance, it is about a lack of compassion and murky ethics. Most people don't care about the suffering in the world as long as they aren't the ones suffering.
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Pretty much. It isn't about stupid, it just about not caring. People don't care about things unless they affect them or someone they care about. It isn't about ignorance, it is about a lack of compassion and murky ethics. Most people don't care about the suffering in the world as long as they aren't the ones suffering.
Agreed, though these things do affect them, and fairly profoundly. It's just that it's not so direct or easy to understand so they're easily distracted by stuff like "the president is a secret Muslim!" It's easier to manipulate people's prejudices than to make them understand complex relationships and the effects they have on the system, laws, and the long term well-being of the middle class. People freak out about the bank bailouts (understandably) but it's over a superficial cartoon portrayal, then they go right back and and buy shit they don't need from China and let the credit card companies rape them up the ass while doing it.
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