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Old 11-15-2010, 01:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Passenger to TSA: If you touch my junk, I'll have you arrested

Where do we draw the line on security?

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After setting my things on a table, he turned to me and began to explain that he was going to do a "standard" pat down. (I thought to myself, "great, not one of those gropings like I've been reading about".) After he described, the pat down, I realized that he intended to touch my groin. After he finished his description but before he started the pat down, I looked him straight in the eye and said, "if you touch my junk, I'll have you arrested." He, a bit taken aback, informed me that he would have to involve his supervisor because of my comment.
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"Upon buying a ticket, you gave up a lot of your rights."

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http://www.aolnews.com/nation/articl...-junk/19716789
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This is the guy that I mentioned in the other thread, who was threatened with a civil suit and 10k in fines if he left... after he had been escorted out by cops and TSA agents.

I don't know if Kafka's laughing or crying.
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Old 11-15-2010, 01:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I found this story even more disturbing: TSO saying "heads up, got a cutie for you" - FlyerTalk Forums

And the problem with the TSA's is that, let's say the stick the bomb in their butt (which has been attempted), the machine will not see it. And what happens if the pics get out, I mean I don't care if people see me naked (woe unto them...) but other people might get very upset.
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Sounds like the TSA many be backing down a bit when it comes to subjecting pilots to the screening every day.

TSA Caves On Molesting Pilots

But holding firm on the full-frontal-nude-pics/gropie-gropie treatment for the rest of us.
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Leslie was right in the other thread. Grope-gate is about making people beg for full-body scans.
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Yes, there are lots of TSA people just lined-up and thrilled to death at the prospect of touching the "junk" because it's so special. That poor TSA person has to touch people all day they normally wouldn't want to come within arms reach of, and this dimwit wants everyone to just give a pass because their body is so special. Remember the guy with the exploding underwear? Ask anyone that was on that plane if they think someone's groin is so special it doesn't need to be checked.
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Tell me, Cincia, where did explodo-knickers get on his plane?

Also, it's a /he/.
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Tell me, Cincia, where did explodo-knickers get on his plane?

Also, it's a /he/.
Doesn't matter where the nitwit got on the plane. You want on a plane with me you need to drop the homophobic bullshit and man-up. And yea I fixed the homophobe's gender in my post.
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So if I object to being groped by a woman without my explicit consent, I'm a homophobe? Sorry, honey, that dog don't hunt.

You can object to being FONDLED BY A STRANGER without hating homosexuals.

It does matter where the underwear bomber got on the plane. Every terrorist attack in the past few years has come from OUTSIDE the country. This is security theater. It's fucking stupid.
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you havent been violated at an airport until you have been stripped searched, butt naked infront of a few people you dont know and them telling you to squat.


i can understand both sides. safety first yes but at a price. unfortunately.
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video taping it? sounds like a set up to me.
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These days, I'm beginning to think that there should be no contact whatsoever with any agent of authority without a camera or three involved.
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Ask anyone that was on that plane if they think someone's groin is so special it doesn't need to be checked.
"Do what the TSA says or you'll die in a fire." Meh.

The argument isn't so much that we like terrorists blowing up planes. It's that this unprecedented invasion of privacy and assault on human dignity won't actually make us safer. It's basically performance art to create the appearance that the government is hard at work to keep us safe.

Here's a good article:

Full Frontal Nudity Doesn***8217;t Make Us Safer: Abolish the TSA - Art Carden - The Economic Imagination - Forbes

It also links to a few source articles that are definitely worth a read:

http://mises.org/daily/1387
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...-carried/7057/
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/feat...is-is-america/
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So if I object to being groped by a woman without my explicit consent, I'm a homophobe? Sorry, honey, that dog don't hunt.

You can object to being FONDLED BY A STRANGER without hating homosexuals.

It does matter where the underwear bomber got on the plane. Every terrorist attack in the past few years has come from OUTSIDE the country. This is security theater. It's fucking stupid.
You're being searched not groped or fondled. If you don't know the difference no one can help you. And the nitwit in the story never got touched at all. So put your drama mongering claws away and go fly "blown to bits airlines" if you want, but welcome to 2010 this isn't your Daddy's airline and you have no "right" to endanger other people with your rabid paranoia.

And you can jam your condescending "honey" up your pie hole.
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This is no more effective at keeping us safe than any other religious ritual.
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video taping it? sounds like a set up to me.
Well once a long time ago, I was pulled over by a cop in Minnesota who started going crazy about me owning a BMW and having 2 cell phones (work and personal) at 23. When he started ranting at me, I called my Uncle who was an Illinois State Trooper and let him listen to what was going on (phone just sitting on the seat) because I was scared out of my mind, that I was out of state at night and some cop was going to toss me in jail for nothing and take my son all because I was young and black and in a car he couldn't afford (his words). I was also being racially profiled by a Black cop (ah America). I had to show him my work badges and a paycheck stub which I happened to have in my brief case to get him to leave me the hell alone.

I think a lot of people when they are in situation will try to record to protect themselves. The police can do whatever they want to you for 24-48 hours, and it is your word against theirs especially when you haven't done anything against the law.
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Yes, there are lots of TSA people just lined-up and thrilled to death at the prospect of touching the "junk" because it's so special. That poor TSA person has to touch people all day they normally wouldn't want to come within arms reach of, and this dimwit wants everyone to just give a pass because their body is so special. Remember the guy with the exploding underwear? Ask anyone that was on that plane if they think someone's groin is so special it doesn't need to be checked.
The new machines that look at you naked would not have picked up the underware bomber. Body scanner wouldn't have foiled syringe bomber, says MP who worked on new machines | Mail Online

Nor will it detect what someone shoves up their anus or vagina or in their mouth. So, in reality, it's just another act of "TSA Security Theatre", like no gels and removing your shoes.

If they wanted real security they would secure the pilots doors and spend the money they are spending on scanners on air marshalls for every flight.

But they'd rather humiliate you because it prepares you for the next major invasion of privacy they are going to want to fight the "war on drugs". In reality, most of the current screening has more to do with the "war on drugs" than it does with terrorism.
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You're being searched not groped or fondled. If you don't know the difference no one can help you. And the nitwit in the story never got touched at all. So put your drama mongering claws away and go fly "blown to bits airlines" if you want, but welcome to 2010 this isn't your Daddy's airline and you have no "right" to endanger other people with your rabid paranoia.

And you can jam your condescending "honey" up your pie hole.
I've watched the searches. They're flat-out punitive.

If I jam my "condescending honey" up my piehole, will you jam your never-ending flaming fucking cuntery up your ass to keep your head company? You are the biggest fucking shitbag on these boards. You make Lloyd look reasonable and that takes work, honey.

You're welcome to shove your tits into the hands of anyone who'll take 'em. Me, I prefer not having kids fondled by unvetted strangers. Shame you don't, but then, you've got 'issues', don't you, honey?
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The pilot's doors are secured, the scanners don't get a picture of you naked (quit reading the literature from the comic books), and there's nothing humiliating about being searched however it is humiliating to have some nitwit accuse you of intentions they have no rational reason to assume. Like I said earlier, that TSA person isn't thrilled to be touching all the people any more than they're thrilled to be touched. They DON'T hire from the sex offender list you know.
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Nor will it detect what someone shoves up their anus or vagina or in their mouth.
Hey, Rose ... YOU can go fly on blown-to-bits airlines ... but if you want to fly with Cincia, you gotta "man up" and get your vag and anus searched.

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November 24th, as many of you already know, is National Opt-Out Day, when airline passengers should refuse to submit themselves to those privacy-invading, genital-picture-taking, radiation-delivering back-scatter imaging machines now installed at many American airports. By telling the TSA agents in charge that you "opt-out" out of the back-scatter (at which point, the TSA agents, if my experience is typical, will yell, "We got an opt-out!," causing everyone standing on the TSA Checkpoint Coiled Line of Death to look at you funny), you will be subjecting yourself to a fairly thorough frisking, as detailed in this post. But I believe that opting-out saves you exposure to radiation, and allows a federal government employee to share in your humiliation (while on the one hand -- or in both hands, as the case may be -- your genitals are being groped by a low-paid federal government employee, it is no great pleasure -- and certainly no elevating spiritual experience -- to be the one who frisks people's crotches in an airport, which is why I hope National Opt-Out Day causes hardworking TSA employees to tell their bosses, "Enough.")

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If you want to go the extra extra mile, I suggest commando-style kilt-wearing. While it is probably illegal to fly without pants, I can't imagine that it's illegal to fly without underpants.
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I'm not reading "literature from the comic books", honey.

I guess that you won't be taking up my offer to stop being a fuckbag for a day, hey?
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You're being searched not groped or fondled. If you don't know the difference no one can help you. And the nitwit in the story never got touched at all. So put your drama mongering claws away and go fly "blown to bits airlines" if you want, but welcome to 2010 this isn't your Daddy's airline and you have no "right" to endanger other people with your rabid paranoia.

And you can jam your condescending "honey" up your pie hole.
eh. i can understand here. both your side and hers.

what stops an airport security who is a perv and coping a few extra feels.

when we go to the dr, or the girly one.. you know , the one that puts the cold objects into you and you never want to go back.. that one. lol... we have a trust in them. its ok, mentally, for the dr to touch you and probe. fun? no. its done for health reasons. your safety but you trust your dr right. your dr is doing this for your health saftey.

to apply that trust to a security person at an airport is unsettling. one video i saw, i think it was in a link eboni posted, the guard just seemed to happy with the breast search, that made me uncomfortable to even watch.

i have been stripped searched at the border. butt naked and told to squat. 20 years ago. you know why? i had 100 bucks worth of lingerie in the car i forgot to claim. really i did forget i had it lol. the border said they had just cause to strip search me.
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I thought this was interesting. The U.S. Army won't even perform this pat-down procedure on children in Afghanistan, but the TSA will do it to our children at airports.

Body-Searching Children: No for the US Army, Yes for the TSA - James Fallows - National - The Atlantic

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At no time were we permitted or even encouraged to search children or women. In fact, this would have been considered an extreme violation of acceptable cultural practice and given the way word travels here, been a propaganda victory for the Taliban.
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