Allana Dion

No parents at Richmond dance where girl raped - ContraCostaTimes.com

*insert eyeroll here*

Richmond High School is in the area with the most working poor. Salesian High School is located in an upper middle class area.

And so the blame game begins.

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Colette Meiji

A lot of people should go to jail for this terrible incident.

More should get sued.

Even more should be fired, including the principal and the police chief. Surprised the principal did not resign, really.

Although - who would hire him now?

MoxZ Mokeev

You would think that knowing what is known about the area of Richmond High School, that it were known that there were less to no parents, and because of that known fact alone should have ensured more patrol.

Keyword: known

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Tracer Graves

In an ideal world, there would be more parents involved in their kids' school life, but even then, ensuring proper supervision of the event is the responsibility of the organizers.

Allana Dion

I wouldn't put it all on the principle, although I'm pretty disgusted with the way he's handling it now with the whole "where were the parents?'" shit. The police officers knew they needed to patrol the area. That's what they are there for. They're not meant to stand around inside the dance and be chaperones. However it was also up to the principle to make that clear to them. It's pretty much on everyone's shoulders IMO.

Having plenty of parent volunteers is nice, but schools aren't supposed to rely solely on them, particularly in the lower income communities.

Colette Meiji

the "buck stops here" mentality is truly dead.

His school - his policies - it happened on his watch. Resigning would be the respectable thing to do.

Camille Serpentine

In the broadest terms, I'd have to say, yes it is the fault of the parents, they raised the kids.

That said..
I believe the principle and the school can be blamed for the lack of security and for not preventing this from occurring but I do not blame them the actual rape.

But I feel the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the teens/young adults who perpetrated the rape and beating of the girl. Yes I believe they need better parenting, but the guys who did the act need to be fully held accountable no matter their age.

Mocksoup Graves

That WAS a failure on the part of the Administrator, and passing the buck seems to be a commonality.

The DECENT thing to do, would be resign. Regardless, I doubt he is going to do the DECENT thing. And it's appalling to watch.

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Roxanne Blue

Let's see... the administrator in charge says it's not his fault that the cops didn't do their jobs...

the cop in charge says it's not his fault or the 4 officers' fault that they weren't "briefed" on the need for patrols (yeah, right, and they don't know this? they don't know this is a"bad" school?)...

the parents? Well, if they were going to be responsible human beings, their sons probably would not have been involved in the first place...

the assailants and "cheerleaders"? Well, it's time again for that "due process is not necessarily justice thread" to begin explaining why some will be allowed to "plea down the charges" in return for testimony / confessions...

"The buck" no longer seems to stop anywhere... all we get is another variant of "It's not MY fault, it's -(insert excuse here)"

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Allana Dion

Well naturally, no one would disagree with you on that. Who is responsible for raping that poor girl? The men who did it of course.

But that's not what is being argued over now in the local news media and in this thread. The debate now is, who was responsible for the student's safety at that dance and who failed to fullfill their responsibilities?

Camille Serpentine

As I said:
To debate it does nothing for the girl, it just makes us and others feel better.

Harvey Swenson

I think I just blame society as a whole.

The parents are probably too exhausted from their minimum wage jobs, had poor role models, and are passing some of this on. The school for trying to provide something nice when they and their community obviously can't afford it or have the tools to plan and implement it. The police for not being supercops after probably working 60 hours that week already.

I don't think the outcome could have been foreseen or avoided really. I don't think the principal should resign for trying to give the school something nice, the alternative of no school events for poor schools seems a bit harsh. Communities complain that teens are out of control, I don't think the solution is a principal that cares a little bit resigning, but then again, maybe a principal that likes to point fingers resigning might be good.

I just think the blame lays a lot wider than any specific group here.

Ayu Sura

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Principal.

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Ayumi

I blame the rapists.

And maybe the rapists parents.

Its not like the lack of adult supervision MAKES kids rape each other.

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Liona Clio

Right! We'll be charging them too!

Excuse me, sir, but are you a member of society?
Why, yes I a-
Come along quietly, and the beatings will be less severe...

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Harvey Swenson

I misunderstood, if there's beatings involved I wanna change my answer to GW

Bard Jameson

Why not? It's a pretty reasonable assumption. Four officers. They take turns in two man groups taking a walk around the campus, while the other two stay close to the dance.

SOP, it would seem to me

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Colette Meiji

I did not mean that it was the principal's fault

Only that it is his responsibility.

Did he do what was reasonable to ensure the kids' safety at this dance? It really seems the answer to this is "No"

Either the Cops, or some Teachers should have sometime within 2 Hours walked the perimeter of the school. That's just common sense. If only to catch kids fighting or vandalizing or drinking or smoking pot.

Roxanne Blue

it's only common sense if you presume the cops or teachers actually want to catch kids doing those things - or in this case, something far worse.

Unfortunately, many communities hire off-duty cops for such jobs, and the cops often see these jobs as "perks" requiring little actual work or policing. if that's not the case here, what exactly are the cops there to do...chaperon?

Tracer Graves

This discussion is us trying to figure out what went wrong and trying to prevent this from happening again to other people. So, I guess I don't really put much weight into your argument.

The fact of the matter is that it's common practice for high school students to go sneak off and get drunk or high during dances. Nobody patrolling over the course of the dance even once is a fail on the part of all organizing the event. And if we hold these people responsible, then just maybe we'll make people take this responsibility a little more seriously.

And the whole "I blame the rapists" line is really just irrelevant to the point that we are making here. Of course I blame the rapists. I'm not saying that we should lock up the principal, but that administrative officials should do more to provide a safe environment at school events. I guess I don't understand the actual disagreement over this point.

NikitaNightNinja

I am so , so tempted to post that probably Richmond H.S. is a public school , where since about 1982 the Supreme Court forbade they teach anything but the atheist world view/version of evolution ; and they were taught ; there is no God , and that they are basically evolved apes with no moral rules that apply thus with any personal responsiblity and notion of human respect and love , and forbidden to pray in school , never even learned a simple prayer as The Pater Noster , since that too is forbidden there , ..... but not at Salesian H.S. , there they probably learned all worldviews ,..... tempted tempted am I to post this ,.... but I won't .

Welcome to the new world gulag ?

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Tracer Graves

Are you suggesting that this girl was gang-raped because children aren't taught Creationism?

*confused*

Mocksoup Graves

0.o

NikitaNightNinja

I wrote I was tempted to post it , so I guess the devil is suggesting that it may have something to do with it .

but , I said nothing specifically about 'Creationism' really , more just a sorely lacking education , with a fanatic fundy-materialism bias , where there is no good and wrong to guide them , and rather withholding important truth from kids who need to learn existential truths .

Yes , there is a connection to belief and action , and without reason one could not have faith . But , it's worse if someone who has been taught truths ignores them and falls than someone who has not , if it is coldly intentional , as this seems to have been , though I don't the details of this case yet , so I am speaking generally , about public education , what I think .

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NikitaNightNinja

No , and yes .

Would I do such a thing , suggest there could be a connection between grace and good behavior in society by free sentient agents ?