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Quantum Destiny · 10-09-2009, 08:04 AM

I can only assume that as soon as Obama had a peaceful thought, prepeace informed the Nobel Foundation.

**Cristiano** · 10-09-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RandoymRandt

After they get over being bewildered, the brewing pissed-off attitude will only get harder.

edit: And when I say harder, I mean harder for them to handle.

Make no mistake, this is the kind of stuff that makes them hard.

bladyblue · 10-09-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RandoymRandt

fox says

He was in office two weeks when the nominations closed.

The why: Nuclear proliferation and reaching out to muslims...

...yes, they're mocking him...for being "too new" to win

I love my President - but I have to agree this seems to be a publicity stunt.

It sort of takes the seriousness out of the Nobel Peace Prize.

He has not even bought the troops home yet - or developed the plan for socialized medicine. I am not saying he will not make these things happen - But he needs the time to get started.

I can rationalize that in anticipation of him making these ground breaking changes he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

But I know that Obama's publicist used all the power he had to make this happen.

Obama learned from the Clinton administration - prop yourself up while the Republicans tear you down so you don't get snowed under and disgraced out of office.

**Humps** · 10-09-2009, 08:49 AM

wtf! I did not hear anyone complaining that President Bartlett was a Nobel Laureate

**Cristiano** · 10-09-2009, 08:50 AM

I also think it is too soon - he has not even been in office for a year. It seems an odd dichotomy to give him a peace prize when we are still waging wars on two fronts. No, he did not start them, but he is continuing them. I think Obama is doing an extraordinary job given all that he has to deal with, but this was premature.

Khloe · 10-09-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cristiano

I also think it is too soon - he has not even been in office for a year.

He had been in office 9 DAYS when the voting closed. This was not an award given based on his accomplishments, but instead, an award given based on his vision.

**Bard Jameson** · 10-09-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by detrius

Congrats, America, this year's Nobel Peace Prize goes to you for not voting to bomb Iran last November.

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Originally Posted by Harvey Swenson

I really like Obama but I still think this is a wtf kinda moment. I guess none of the other nominees decided not to start another war.

Not to worry. We'll get around to it.

RandoymRandt · 10-09-2009, 09:22 AM

Here's an interesting image: The Black Peace Dove

Fotos del día - Así ve Forges el Nobel de la Paz concedido a Obama - ELPAÍS.com

bladyblue · 10-09-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Khloe

He had been in office 9 DAYS when the voting closed. This was not an award given based on his accomplishments, but instead, an award given based on his vision.

It was a 'good show' prize.

A sort of acknowledgement to the fact that a black man was foolish enough to run for president in America, win and wasn't murdered before being sworn in.

Ayu Sura · 10-09-2009, 09:33 AM

All I gotta say is - he better deliver now!

jacqueline trudeau · 10-09-2009, 09:37 AM

The Washington Post wins the Nobel Prize in the Skewed Displays of Data category.

Liona Clio · 10-09-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Khloe

He had been in office 9 DAYS when the voting closed. This was not an award given based on his accomplishments, but instead, an award given based on his vision.

This award is not about what Obama is. It is about what, or more to the point who, Obama is not. This is also the first Nobel Peace Prize that isn't. America has just gotten a slap on the wrist for its global actions during the last decade. Our leader has just won the iconic award not for good behavior, but for stopping bad behavior. This is the strongest message the international community has given America that isolationism and self interest are not good leadership qualities.

We won't learn, of course. America was founded on the premise of givng the outside world the finger. I don't think we will ever be free of our resentment against the rest of the world. Not until we are humbled.

Tracer Graves · 10-09-2009, 11:48 AM

I'm not sure they should have awarded him the Nobel Peace Price at this juncture in his presidency, but I view this as a statement of how bad the Bush Admin treated the rest of the International community. From Bush's creepy Merkel backrubs, to sending anti-UN figure Bolton as the UN ambassador to our unilateral policy making on the international scene (Iraq). I think perhaps this is a response to Obama's early efforts in his presidency to re-establish international co-operation and his pre-disposition to sensible political positions. Also, some his initial efforts were committing to a time-table for Iraq withdrawal and closing Guantanamo. He has also made official our adherence to the Army Field Manual in the treatment of detainees. He has spoken internationally on serious levels of Nuclear disarmament has adopted diplomacy with hostile nations.

While he has not accomplished a whole hell of a lot yet in his Presidency, and I think this award may have been premature, I do imagine the whole international climate is breathing a lot easier now.

Lianne Marten · 10-09-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Khloe

He had been in office 9 DAYS when the voting closed. This was not an award given based on his accomplishments, but instead, an award given based on his vision.

He had been in office 9 days when nominations closed. Voting took place after that.

Your second sentence is most likely correct though.

Quote:

"I am both surprised and deeply humbled," Obama said from the White House Friday morning.

He said he does not "view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments," but rather as a "call to action" for the United States and other nations tackling global issues.

"I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many transformative figures that have been honored by this prize," he added.

Obama: Nobel Peace Prize "a call to action" - White House- msnbc.com

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Originally Posted by Democratic National Committee

"The Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists -- the Taliban and Hamas this morning -- in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize," wrote DNC Communications Director Brad Woodhouse. "Republicans cheered when America failed to land the Olympics and now they are criticizing the President of the United States for receiving the Nobel Peace prize -- an award he did not seek but that is nonetheless an honor in which every American can take great pride -- unless of course you are the Republican Party. The 2009 version of the Republican Party has no boundaries, has no shame and has proved that they will put politics above patriotism at every turn. It's no wonder only 20 percent of Americans admit to being Republicans anymore - it's an embarrassing label to claim."

Obama's Nobel Prize Inspires Conservative Outrage And Confusion

Markubis · 10-09-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Liona Clio

Our leader has just won the iconic award not for good behavior, but for stopping bad behavior. .

I think the American people deserve the award then, and not Obama....he was chosen by the American people to stop the bad behavior.

Tracer Graves · 10-09-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Markubis

I think the American people deserve the award then, and not Obama....he was chosen by the American people to stop the bad behavior.

I honestly think that this is something of an implied message that goes along with this award. "Thank you America for ending your 8 years of retardedness"

Tracer Graves · 10-09-2009, 12:11 PM

Just came across the following article:

Robert Naiman: Nobel Committee, Strategic As Ever, Taps Obama for Peace Prize

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Some initial commentary has called the award unprecedented and wondered why the committee would give President Obama the award when he "hasn't done anything yet."
But anyone who thinks this award is unprecedented hasn't been paying attention.

The Nobel Committee gave South African Bishop Desmond Tutu the Nobel Peace Prize in 1984 for his leadership of efforts to abolish apartheid in South Africa. Apartheid wasn't fully abolished in South Africa until 1994. The committee could have waited until after apartheid was abolished to say, "Well done!" But the point of the award was to help bring down apartheid by strengthening Bishop Tutu's efforts. In particular, everyone knew that it was going to be much harder for the apartheid regime to crack down on Tutu after the Nobel Committee wrapped him in its protective cloak of world praise.

That's what the Nobel Committee is trying to do for Obama now. It's giving an award to encourage the change in world relations that Obama has promised, and to try to help shield Obama against his domestic adversaries. The committee is well aware that history is contingent and that Obama might fail. It knows very well that the same country that elected Obama also gave the world George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan.

Makes sense to me.

Gigs · 10-09-2009, 12:17 PM

Nobel intended his prizes to be given for past accomplishments.

Between this and Krugman, it seems that the Nobel prize is really losing credibility. In a few years they'll probably give one to Hannity.

Richie Waves · 10-09-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tracer Graves

I honestly think that this is something of an implied message that goes along with this award. "Thank you America for ending your 8 years of retardedness"

But, Bush was nominated for one!

jacqueline trudeau · 10-09-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gigs

Between this and Krugman, it seems that the Nobel prize is really losing credibility. In a few years they'll probably give one to Hannity.

You could say they already lost credibility when Kissinger got his. Well before Krugman and Obama. Did you? Or only when the recipient doesn't fit your idealogy?

Argent Stonecutter · 10-09-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by detrius

In combination with the 2002 award for Jimmy Carter and the 2007 award for Al Gore, I'm starting to suspect that the Norwegian Nobel committee might harbor some resent for the previous President.

That proves it, Dubya is a reincarnation of Jackson... the president so hated that a party whose whole reason for existence was opposing him was still winning elections after he died.

Argent Stonecutter · 10-09-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Liona Clio

America was founded on the premise of givng the outside world the finger.

Crikey! I hope they washed their hands afterwards!

Liona Clio · 10-09-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gigs

...it seems that the Nobel prize is really losing credibility. In a few years they'll probably give one to Hannity.

It'll be a posthumous prize, of course.

Gigs · 10-09-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jacqueline trudeau

You could say they already lost credibility when Kissinger got his. Well before Krugman and Obama. Did you? Or only when the recipient doesn't fit your idealogy?

I'll be sure to travel back in time to 7 years before I was born in order to protest that.

jacqueline trudeau · 10-09-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Gigs

I'll be sure to travel back in time to 7 years before I was born in order to protest that.

Fair enough. Do you have a current opinion on awarding the Nobel to such choices as Yassir Arafat and Henry Kissinger? Or even Jimmy Carter and Al Gore. Were those credible?

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Quantum Destiny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: England Posts: 2,425 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 4 SL Join Date: 25 July 2004 Business: Luxury Homes by Quantum Destiny	I can only assume that as soon as Obama had a peaceful thought, prepeace informed the Nobel Foundation.

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Cristiano Hive Mind Director forum overlord Huge in Japan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 11,908 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 4 SL Join Date: Dec 2002 Business: ANOmations Blog Entries: 16 XBOX Leaderboard: 28^th	I also think it is too soon - he has not even been in office for a year. It seems an odd dichotomy to give him a peace prize when we are still waging wars on two fronts. No, he did not start them, but he is continuing them. I think Obama is doing an extraordinary job given all that he has to deal with, but this was premature.

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RandoymRandt Senior Member Consumable Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: AU Posts: 3,411 My Mood: SL Join Date: Originally June 5, 2007	Here's an interesting image: The Black Peace Dove Fotos del día - Así ve Forges el Nobel de la Paz concedido a Obama - ELPAÍS.com

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Tracer Graves Senior Member Flaghumping Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,941 My Mood:	I'm not sure they should have awarded him the Nobel Peace Price at this juncture in his presidency, but I view this as a statement of how bad the Bush Admin treated the rest of the International community. From Bush's creepy Merkel backrubs, to sending anti-UN figure Bolton as the UN ambassador to our unilateral policy making on the international scene (Iraq). I think perhaps this is a response to Obama's early efforts in his presidency to re-establish international co-operation and his pre-disposition to sensible political positions. Also, some his initial efforts were committing to a time-table for Iraq withdrawal and closing Guantanamo. He has also made official our adherence to the Army Field Manual in the treatment of detainees. He has spoken internationally on serious levels of Nuclear disarmament has adopted diplomacy with hostile nations. While he has not accomplished a whole hell of a lot yet in his Presidency, and I think this award may have been premature, I do imagine the whole international climate is breathing a lot easier now.

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