Joshua Nightshade

I think you would be surprised at the amount of people with Native friends or heritage in this thread, myself included in the latter part, which you've invalidated in order to make your point. I don't see you "speaking up," nor am I really certain why you overreacted to comments in this thread, but anyway I'm finding Lina Inverse much more interesting.

Slayers FTW!

Pussycat Catnap

Ok... I get it.

White people are free to talk about selective portions of their cultures without a huge dissertation pointing out how this is just one example or possibility among many.

But if someone else posts some partial thing about one ideal of their people, IT MUST come with all sorts of qualifiers and counter examples and must also point out how it is not a full statement of every possible angle.

Arilynn

Did you miss this post in which Hypatia said many European societes were as bad or worse?

Pussycat Catnap

No... but I did miss the point where it was ever necessary or called for to attack native society with the whole Noble Savage thing and that image of the murdered woman.

This wasn't a thread about how any one culture is/is not superior. That kind of response was not called for.

Joshua Nightshade

White people, white people white people White People People white white white white white white people white white w h i t e w41t3.

Yes.

Quantum Destiny

That being the case, perhaps Hypatia's not white after all...

Arilynn

I have no idea what the story is behind the picture of a woman on a stake, but I didn't read Hypatia's reply about "Noble Savages" as an attack on native societies. Instead, it seemed to me to be a rebuttal of a purportedly false ideal regarding native societies. To me, that is a crucial difference.

Pussycat Catnap

I'm not the one who threw the mud here.

The attack didn't start with me.

So don't play that kind of bullshit.

Pussycat Catnap

It was uncalled for.

I was -NOT- posting some article on native superiority.

I was posting an ideal within a limited context of a minimum society.

Joshua Nightshade

Try again.

That would be mud, which was thrown in an overreaction to Hypatia.

Pussycat Catnap

In response to attacks on my roots.

Lucifer Baphomet

The image is actually not of a murdered woman..

it's of an actress on a pole with a bicycle seat on it, and with balsa wood in her mouth.

It'f from a 1980 movie called "Cannibal Holocaust" the main theme of which being, that modern civilisation is just as, and at times more barbaric than primitive tribal societies.

So, the picture was actually saying a multitude of things....

You only got one of the things

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Joshua Nightshade

The fact that you went from zero to bitch in the space of one civil, well-reasoned response to your comment demonstrates a hangup.

The fact that you keep qualifying this angle of the discussion as an attack on you, which would be pretty impressive since I've never seen Hypatia attack anyone before, is indicative of some knee-jerk freakout on your part.

If you're seeing an attack it really has to be in your head because I'm missing it in this discussion. The only attacking is coming on your end.

Arilynn

If you think a rebuttal of an idea is "uncalled for", you are in the wrong sandbox. Any idea thrown out on PRS is open to potential rebuttal. This is a debate board, so people will debate any statement that provides them with an opening. It's not personal, and, as the warning says, it's not for the faint of heart.

Arilynn

I thought that was from a movie about cannibals, which made this discussion even more filled with WTF when it was mentioned.

Pussycat Catnap

YES I blew my top in this thread.

BUT, I did it AFTER my heritage was attacked.

Sure, many of my responses in here have been more emotional than rational.

But I posted what I felt was a cute response about a possible minimal society - citing an ideal of my heritage, one which does have some limited actual examples; though it is by far the full-picture.

It was just a cute, limited response to a question on minimal societies. And my roots got attacked for it.

So yes, I blew my top in here. There was absolutely no reason for the two responses my original post got - given what the thread was about, and what limited of a context I posted in.

Mere mention of some idealized aspect of native culture does not justify that kind of response. And in the context of what this thread was originally about, that kind of native-hostile response was even less justified.

Eirik

I love how the liberals on this forum are allowed to attack other people's roots. But that as a small aside, hypocrits. I guess this forum is the only place where the supposed nazis are the ones merely defending their own ancestry and it's the liberals being racist.

Anyway, minimum requirements for a perfect society imo:

1) Cultural and economical protectionism
2) Small scale
3) Large living space

It doesn't fall under the OP title of "open society", but I disagree that an "open society" should be an ideal to strive for anyway.

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Joshua Nightshade

You're really better off not going there.

Arilynn

I'll try one more time because I'm stubborn and masochistic.

It wasn't an attack on your roots. It was an attack on a concept. I see nothing personal about it, and Hypatia took pains to post again immediately to say that many Europeans societies were as bad or worse. I think perhaps you missed that post or overlooked it and interpreted her first reply in an overly personal manner, which everyone does at times.

Lucifer Baphomet

Jesus fuck woman....

Hypatia over two posts, and before you responded once, cited anthropological studies, and then pointed out that the whole idea of the "noble savage" whether in south america, or europe or wherever was what she didn't agree with....

In no way at all, a racist attack.

I've since explained to you where the image posted by myself came from...

A movie by the end of which you're cheering for the Amazonian natives as they turn on the westerners who've abused them.

The idea that it was racist came from your ignorance of the source

CHILL THE FUCK OUT

Surreal

Might want to check your assumptions about who is white at the door.

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Eirik

The places with big warning signs were always the most fun to wander off into.

Joshua Nightshade

Listen, little bigot, I've mostly avoided dealing with you out of the past, but if you continue poking and trolling to get attention I will not hesitate to punt you upside the face.

Eirik

Threatening physical violence over the internet is not cool.

Besides, I wasn't trolling ( at least not in the second half of the post ). I gave a serious answer to the OP.

Joshua Nightshade

It's a figurative phrase. I live on another continent than you do, threatening you physically would amount to little.

Plus, you're bigger.