Eboni Khan

It would make more sense that they would try to free women of burqas for public safety reasons, than it being degrading. Public safety is harder to argue with than degrading which is debatable.

Being covered head to toe can't be anymore degrading than waxing, plucking, tucking, stuffing, pushing, shellacking, dyeing, and squeezing yourself into an unnatural form to confirm to modern beauty standards. One devil is not better than the next.

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Ewan Took

Well France is very secular and wants to stay that way. Viva le Revolution and all that.

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Aodhan McDunnough

Except that I think women in burqas are safer with more shielding against the elements and maybe even toxic spills.

Lo Jacobs

Yes, of course.

I don't agree with the burqa and I don't like the reasons for it, I just don't think it should be legislated.

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Aimee Weber

Good point, but this is a tactical point rather than ideological. However French lawmakers sell it, the actual objective is to get the women out of those potato sacks.

Well if wearing a burka meant you didn't have to do all that stuff, then sign me up! But I assume the husbands of Muslim women aren't too pleased when they unwrap their little present and find a yeti on the marital bead.

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Lo Jacobs

Anyway, I don't think France really gives a damn about the women being oppressed, they just don't like Muslims. That's my beef.

I see it as akin to keeping Indian women from wearing those sari things; it's intolerance of another culture.

Joshua Nightshade

Hey look what google found for "titty ornaments!"

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Isabeau Imako

100x Agree
We all do 'strange' things in the name of conformity.

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Surreal

Aimee,

You will shortly be receiving bills for the keyboard i ruined by horking iced tea through my nose, and for the psychological counseling my cat is now receiving to help him deal with the trauma of being awakened from a nap by loud and gutteral guffaws, snorts and wheezing from gut-busting laughter.

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Eboni Khan

I think they like them hairy over there though...

Isabeau Imako

Exactly. Just as in many religions, especially in the past, arms/legs/hair covered = modest. But as you wrote earlier, covering your face isn't mentioned in the Quran.

Joshua Nightshade

Most of them don't require the whole face to be covered even still; the Taliban did when they controlled Afghanistan, but wearing the burqa is falling out of favor there in Kabul entirely now.

Most of them allow at least the eyes to be uncovered, but generally speaking the entire face is left uncovered instead.

Lo Jacobs

They've also got a breathtaking intolerance for anyone who isn't French.

Okay, does everyone remember when Eirik was talking about how there were perfectly good Arabs and Turks -- ie, the ones who stayed in their own countries?

THIS is what this law is about, people! Not women's rights. If you want to protect the women, then do something about the rape kits and educate the men, step up the penalties for domestic abuse. This burqa law is a political statement.

karenallover

I had to check and found an SL group with 22 members: Burka Babes of Second Life

charter: "Have fun, say hi to strangers, trip on your burka and end up revealing your ankles to them, and then get stoned.

Outfit and stoning equipment available for free at Freeze."

If I wasn't maxxed out on groups, I think I'd join!

Oh and there are plenty of burka outfits available for sale -- could these be banned in the French sims?! Down with avatar degradation!!

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Isabeau Imako

On some French sites,
this is called 'The Burqa for Men'.
Kind of cool. I'd like one as it would
be practical during heavy snow storms.




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Aimee Weber

I will raise my future son to believe that if he doesn't wear one of those he will go to hell, and that me and the rest of his family and community will reject him.

It'll grow on him.

Isabeau Imako

So will a lot of fungi if he decides to wear it hot weather.

Ceiri

This just further refutes your earlier statement that burkas work. They don't. They make everything worse.

Raindrop Drinkwater

I don't have many red buttons, but this is one of them. I don't think you can accuse France as a whole to be intolerant of anything, just like I wouldn't dream of accusing the USA of the same.

I won't deny that there are issues of racism around here. People make mistakes, they have fears. It's a long process. Things are being done, bridges built.

My borough is a mixed ethnic environment (most of my town is). We all live and mix together quite nicely. Nobody pays attention to headscarves anymore -- this sign of appartenance to the Muslim religion has been accepted long ago, thankfully. There's a store that sells hallal meat down the street. Social centers and schools cater for Muslim children by having hallal meals on the menu.

Kids miss school on the Day of the Aïd, everybody understands that. I've heard it's going to become an official holiday, which would be nice.

I don't know what to think about the burqa. I know it pains me when I see a woman hidden like that, especially when most other muslim women wear a nice headscarf or nothing at all. It just seems a bit over the top to me, you know? I am not for forbidding it, though.

But. To come back to your statements.

I'm French. I want you to know that, despite knowing your words weren't aimed at me, I feel offended by them. I know it's not in my power to make you reconsider your opinions, but I wish you would.

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Isabeau Imako

I actually read her ''they'' as the current administration, not as the French people as a whole.

Raindrop Drinkwater

I hope that's what she meant.
Still hurts, you know.

Ramonna Villota

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Ramonna Villota

One it is France not my land.

Yes it is secular move and it is anti muslim but I have so much apathy for that one group that I do not care.

Cocoanut Koala

Well, except that you aren't forced to wa, pluck, shellack, and squeeze yourself if you don't want to.

I can't be for banning any wearing apparel, except in specific instances - such as you can't cover your whole head for a photo ID, and you can't run around naked (as long as the world isn't ready yet for total public nudity).

Seems to me like such a law would be harmful to women, as it would put many between a rock and a hard place: Either displease their husbands and families, and pay a humongous price for it; or displease the government, and pay a humongous price for that.

coco

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