Dnate Mars

Against the person, or what he is doing? There is a big difference therea.

jacqueline trudeau

Not from what we've seen coming out the protests.

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Richie Waves

lol... has nothing to do with his brownness.... come on... these tea party's are bloody white power rallys..

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They dont use pictures of Macauley Culkin as currency, nor do they have tiny men in their employ..

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Richie Waves

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Vivianne Draper

given that most people objecting are actually receiving a tax cut, yeah!

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jacqueline trudeau

Form the other thread:

Official Tax Day TEA Party, July 4th, 2009

Basically, a grabbag of free-floating anger over:

a. policies that have been in effect for a long time without them seeming to have noticed.

or:

b. made up bullshit with no grounding in reality.

and/or:

c. other right - wing loon thought. "force doctors and other medical workers to perform abortions against their will?" wtf?

Cocoanut Koala

Oh, it's about him, because he's doing it. But it certainly isn't just about him - it's about the spending. To think it's not about congress, and all of them, including anyone voting for this, is to miss the point.

There was a huge uproar over the first bail-out, and that was under BUSH. To think that all this insanity would have continued on under him, had he had another term, and no one would have protested is wishful thinking.

I think some of you don't realize just how much they have spent.

coco

Richie Waves

ect.... lots of stormfront noise at said tea party's!

Cocoanut Koala

Being of mathmatic bent, these sorts of comments simply drive me crazy.

It would be fair to say this sort of thing IF there weren't this huge elephant in the room. The huge elephant is the ginormous debt we are now in, the trillions upon trillions of dollars passed, hand over fist, in a RUSH, to largely dubious ends; unprecedented in our lifetimes, and which will take generations to recover from, if ever.

If that ginormous elephant weren't sitting there, I wouldn't be protesting.

To approach this as if the elephant weren't right there is disingenuous.

These are protests against the spending. In other words, the protests wouldn't be happening at all were it not for that elephant.

The converse is to believe that nothing can be protested, and that everything the government does must be accepted, no matter how elephantine.

People can add. Bums in Washington better figure that out pretty quick here, or they might find themselves out on their ears come next election.

Nothing can be done about the debt we are already in - humongous debt, all in a matter of less than a year!

But something can be done to tell them we want it to stop, and that is what we are doing.

coco

P.S. Jacqueline, that is one site. There are dozens such sites, each saying a different thing. I quoted from a different site on the other thread, which was a much better description:

"The purpose is to let Congress and the President know there are many, many Americans across the country that are fed up with bailouts, large budgets, and high taxes."

That is the reason for the tea parties in a nutshell.

Sunshine Carami

isn't it nice to be able to uproar without being called unpatriotic?

Cocoanut Koala

It's not nice at all.

There are those who are determined that no one could be possibly protesting the spending; they all have to be racists.

There are those who have called these protests "unhealthy."

It's not fun at all to talk about this on SLU.

But I think it affects us all, and we should all be concerned about this wild, out-of-control spending, and we should all be writing our congress critters telling them to put the brakes on.

coco

Edit: And if and when they do put the brakes on, people can feel free to blame those who protested for bringing it about for us.

The opposite position from mine is - to want them to continue spending wildly.

Richie Waves

Bard Jameson

If this post is mathematical, then I'm Charles Babbage.

All of a sudden, it's about the spending. Ninety days into the new presidency, it's all about the spending. Suddenly, it's as if people suddenly woke up, and all they want is the spending to stop.

Thirty years of proving "deficits don't matter" did nothing to release this outrage. Thirty years of squeezing the working and middle class, of driving debt to levels "unprecedented in our lifetimes" elicited barely a scowl. Thirty years of letting financial institutions - the very heart and bloodstream of our economy - play ducks and drakes with our existence brought no one to the streets.

Now, like a lightning strike, its all about the spending. And now, now that the spending is needed to keep the system from simply breaking down, to keep the patient breathing and stop bleeding and avoid what no American alive today understands (read: real, honest-to-god anarchy, not the faux kind that black tee-shirted kids think they want), NOW it all has to stop.

And all the slogans using Obama's initials and all the posters with Obama's face 'shopped onto Hitler's body and all the shouts about socialism (showing their extreme ignorance - they should be 'shopping his head onto Stalin or Mao), have absolutely nothing to do with it.

It's all about the spending.

And I and those who are criticizing this movement are being "disingenuous"?

Time will tell.

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Cocoanut Koala

Here is an encouraging report from Rasmussen. (I realize that some of you discount everything from Rasmussen, considering it a conservative polling group, but here it is anyhow.)

Some of the highlights:

. Fifty-one percent (51%) of Americans have a favorable view of the “tea parties” held nationwide last week, including 32% who say their view of the events is Very favorable.

. Thirty-three percent (33%) hold an unfavorable opinion of the tea parties according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Fifteen percent (15%) are not sure.

. One-in-four adults (25%) say they personally know someone who attended a tea party protest.

I especially like that third one!

. Forty-five percent (45%) of Americans adults now think most people get involved in politics to protect themselves from what the government might do.

Rasmussen Reports™: The Most Comprehensive Public Opinion Data Anywhere

You know, people, despite all the name calling (and you know who you are), we just MIGHT get the government to stop this insanity!

coco

detrius

Err.... didn't Robin Hood gain popularity for opposing a tyrannical government that overtaxed its population?


Oh, right... it's all about the "hood" and pointing out the tone of his skin...

I guess that explains why the people who are coming up with posters like this one miss those pesky little details.

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Richie Waves

Good luck with that!

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Siggy

I am very very disappointed in this thread...

It's a bait and switch of the highest caliber, and not a single post is actually about teabagging

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Cocoanut Koala

I mean that it is disingenuous to presume there is no good reason to protest spending. That presumes that all this spending - profligate, unprecedented, and unmonitored - has not been going on at all.

But it has. I hate to go on about points I've already discussed in the other thread. I've put various charts and things in the other thread.

It's not "all of a sudden." The whole thing began with the first bail-out. That's when people stood up and said, what? That was the first big huge spending thing. That's when people got concerned.

That was followed by one huge bill after another - again, unmonitored, undebated, and even unread. I think a person would have to have been asleep not to know that. Of course this is going to reach the point where it is too much, and people are saying stop.

Obviously, we disagree that the "spending is needed to stop the system from breaking down." In my opinion, it is long past that point, if it was ever true.

If you think that all the spending is needed - and perhaps even more is needed - then naturally, you won't want to protest against it.

However, I don't, and I've had it with it. Totally had it.

It's more than wearisome to be told that there simply is no spending issue - or that this spending is no different from what occured before last summer (which you are not doing). This is where the math comes in.

And to then be told that all of these people, myself included, are just racists looking for an excuse to be racist is what is disingenuous. The simple math of it defies that.

Understand, I don't discount that there are loonies on the fringe of this movement. Or people just looking for an excuse to be racist. But that doesn't disqualify the real issue of the spending.

coco

Lianne Marten

I dunno what you all were laughing about... I was being serious.

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Bard Jameson

My Spidey Sense is picking up vibrations indicating an impending NSFW derailment...

Siggy

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OK....

Here's the plan...

Lianne and Jaqueline, you both meet up in Atlanta, then when Mr Coco is at work, drive to Coco's house and abduct her.

Then we have her flown in Siggys private jet (if people aren't meant to know about the private jet, I apologise Siggy, but at least I didn't tell them about your luxury 500ft yaucht moored in international waters that you use in the traffiking of eastern european sex slaves) to a disused airfield 12 miles north of Dublin, where Richie and I will be waiting, whereupon the deprogramming can begin.

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Kit Lacy

This is a bit off topic but the racists at the protests...the organisers can't really help who turns up. Surely we can recognise the Stormfronters as hangers on. It's like the Phelps crew. They always turn up for the media coverage.

Siggy

Here's some funny shit... I think I recall threads just like this last year, only now it's like both sides have swapped sides in a sick little do-see-do and using each others arguments.

Here *holds up mirror*

Am I the only one who sees how funny this shit is?