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Old 11-24-2008, 10:30 AM   #101 (permalink)
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I'd rather have my daughter be taught a lesson for 6 months or so and feel hassled about her "social life" as you put it than have perverts jerking off to her on the internet.
Right, because thought-crimes are the worst thing that can happen. Especially sexual thoughts! We must save our daughters from anyone ever thinking about them in a sexual manner.

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Cross ok lets look.

There was a problem in the school. You may not agree but I happen to see how potential nude pictures (I'll stop saying Kiddie Porn for you people) of young teens in the wrong hands is dangerous and not a good thing.

They had someone come in and warn them.

She was pulled aside and explained 1 on 1 why she should stop.

She didnt listen, she wanted to test the system.

When she was caught again she found out the penalty she earned by testing the system.

Now she is on probation until May. Nothing will be on her record to haunt her the rest of her life. I hardly see that as some devastating punishment you are trying to pain a picture of.

Moral of the story. When authorities tell teens to stop doing something, and warned, the better listen.

I'd rather have my daughter be taught a lesson for 6 months or so and feel hassled about her "social life" as you put it than have perverts jerking off to her on the internet.
Well, why not ask your daughter what she'd think about 6 months of parole and how that would affect her interactions with her peers? Especially consider what she's on probation for. This is Highschool. Unless it's changed alot from when I went, this will, by definition, alter the social dynamic she deals with in relation to her peer-group, and not in a positive way.

I think this should have been dealt with like other problems are usually dealt with. Get the parents involved, etc.
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I'd rather have my daughter be taught a lesson for 6 months or so and feel hassled about her "social life" as you put it than have perverts jerking off to her on the internet.
In other words, you'd rather see your daughter punished for her budding sexuality than have her shamed into suppressing it? No offense, Beau, but I think that's warped. If you really want to screw your kids up, make them ashamed for being desirable.
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And no, I am not aroused by 15 years old Chip. There are times I may say "damn they develop early" but never do I have an urge to see them with their clothes off.
(If I may butt in for a sec...using your post to respond Beau but just to elaborate on the thought, not implying you are lying or wrong)

It don't think the argument is whether men would want to see them with with their clothes off or jump them if they had the chance. I have plenty of male friends who have felt a little like "dirty old men" when they found out that cute girl they were checking out was just a teen. lol "She's what?!?! OMG! *cringe* Ouch.!"

I know plenty of 15-18 year olds who look and act NOTHING like what people seem to think teens should look/act like. They are mature, intelligent, responsible, insightful and look nothing like kids. The idea that all teens are clueless idiots who need to sheltered from the world and themselves really irks me. (not saying that's what Beau was saying...just stating what I feel in general!)

Yes, there are pervs out there. They were there long before the internet came around, and I doubt they will go away soon. Lock up the guy who molested my friend's 2 year old brother in day care, lock up the parents who abuse their little kids and scar them for life. These are the people who need to be charged, not some teenager exploring the boundaries of her sexuality of her own free will.
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In other words, you'd rather see your daughter punished for her budding sexuality than have her shamed into suppressing it? No offense, Beau, but I think that's warped. If you really want to screw your kids up, make them ashamed for being desirable.
I'm not sure boys are properly coded to handle the budding sexuality of their daughters.
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If I had a daughter who did that she'd be so grounded from technology people would think she was Amish.
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(If I may butt in for a sec...using your post to respond Beau but just to elaborate on the thought, not implying you are lying or wrong)

It don't think the argument is whether men would want to see them with with their clothes off or jump them if they had the chance. I have plenty of male friends who have felt a little like "dirty old men" when they found out that cute girl they were checking out was just a teen. lol "She's what?!?! OMG! *cringe* Ouch.!"

I know plenty of 15-18 year olds who look and act NOTHING like what people seem to think teens should look/act like. They are mature, intelligent, responsible, insightful and look nothing like kids. The idea that all teens are clueless idiots who need to sheltered from the world and themselves really irks me. (not saying that's what Beau was saying...just stating what I feel in general!)

Yes, there are pervs out there. They were there long before the internet came around, and I doubt they will go away soon. Lock up the guy who molested my friend's 2 year old brother in day care, lock up the parents who abuse their little kids and scar them for life. These are the people who need to be charged, not some teenager exploring the boundaries of her sexuality of her own free will.
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In other words, you'd rather see your daughter punished for her budding sexuality than have her shamed into suppressing it? No offense, Beau, but I think that's warped. If you really want to screw your kids up, make them ashamed for being desirable.
Chip. Yes. I want my daughter to know why she shouldn't risk getting nude pictures of hers in the hands of the wrong people.

Call that suppressing her if you want. I can live with that. There are man ways she can express herself without being a teenage porno star.
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(If I may butt in for a sec...using your post to respond Beau but just to elaborate on the thought, not implying you are lying or wrong)

It don't think the argument is whether men would want to see them with with their clothes off or jump them if they had the chance. I have plenty of male friends who have felt a little like "dirty old men" when they found out that cute girl they were checking out was just a teen. lol "She's what?!?! OMG! *cringe* Ouch.!"

I know plenty of 15-18 year olds who look and act NOTHING like what people seem to think teens should look/act like. They are mature, intelligent, responsible, insightful and look nothing like kids. The idea that all teens are clueless idiots who need to sheltered from the world and themselves really irks me. (not saying that's what Beau was saying...just stating what I feel in general!)

Yes, there are pervs out there. They were there long before the internet came around, and I doubt they will go away soon. Lock up the guy who molested my friend's 2 year old brother in day care, lock up the parents who abuse their little kids and scar them for life. These are the people who need to be charged, not some teenager exploring the boundaries of her sexuality of her own free will.
Betty. You are right lets give these child molesters all the kiddie pics they want. You go tell your kids it's ok to risk putting her picture in their hands if you want. I'll teach my kid different morals.

Because you know.....13, 14 ,15 year olds always have the best judgment.

She was warned. She didn't listen. Now she has to be hassled for a few months. I bet somewhere in that school are a couple young girls giving second thoughts to putting their nude pictures out into the public though.
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Chip. Yes. I want my daughter to know why she shouldn't risk getting nude pictures of hers in the hands of the wrong people.

Call that suppressing her if you want. I can live with that. There are man ways she can express herself without being a teenage porno star.
I would be mortified if my daughter did what this girl did, but I would much rather have her have to live with the embarrassment of having her bare breasts on the internet than to have her made to feel like a criminal or a pariah for making a stupid choice. Making people ashamed of their sexuality can mess them up for the rest of their lives, leading to an inability to form lasting relationships and sexual dysfunction. What's more harmful?
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Chip. Yes. I want my daughter to know why she shouldn't risk getting nude pictures of hers in the hands of the wrong people.
What's the risk?

It's something bigger then people beating off to her I hope.

I keep seeing this scene in my head...

You're in the study, having called a "Family meeting" after finding some inappropriate pictures of your daughter. She says "But...dad..." tears streaming from her eyes "I've already emailed them!!!"

Then you raise your head to the ceiling and yell "Innnnteeeeerneeeeet....DAAAAAAAAAMN YOOOOOOOU!!"

Then life goes on as usual and nothing dramatic happens because people beating off to you on the internet doesn't really impact anyone. Except every now and then you feel dirty for some inexplicable reason.
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I would be mortified if my daughter did what this girl did, but I would much rather have her have to live with the embarrassment of having her bare breasts on the internet than to have her made to feel like a criminal or a pariah for making a stupid choice. Making people ashamed of their sexuality can mess them up for the rest of their lives, leading to an inability to form lasting relationships and sexual dysfunction. What's more harmful?
No she is being taught that not listening to your superiors has penalty's.
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She's being taught a whole lot more than that.
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What's the risk?

It's something bigger then people beating off to her I hope.

I keep seeing this scene in my head...

You're in the study, having called a "Family meeting" after finding some inappropriate pictures of your daughter. She says "But...dad..." tears streaming from her eyes "I've already emailed them!!!"

Then you raise your head to the ceiling and yell "Innnnteeeeerneeeeet....DAAAAAAAAAMN YOOOOOOOU!!"

Then life goes on as usual and nothing dramatic happens because people beating off to you on the internet doesn't really impact anyone. Except every now and then you feel dirty for some inexplicable reason.
Ok Mero. your argument is lame now knowing the outcome and the facts of what went on before she was charged. She was warned. She didn't listen. They had to put an end to this. Unfortunately for her, she put herself in the position to be used as an example.

I didn't say it would be the end of the world.
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She was warned. She didn't listen. Now she has to be hassled for a few months. I bet somewhere in that school are a couple young girls giving second thoughts to putting their nude pictures out into the public though.
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Ok Mero. your argument is lame now knowing the outcome and the facts of what went on before she was charged. She was warned. She didn't listen. They had to put an end to this. Unfortunately for her, she put herself in the position to be used as an example.

I didn't say it would be the end of the world.
Enh, this issue aside, you may some comments about your own family I'd like to explore. You seem to think that there's something serious, something damaging, about there being nude pictures of someone on the internet, but you've only mentioned "some pervert jerking off" as a danger. Really, what else is there, and where's the harm in that action?
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Betty. You are right lets give these child molesters all the kiddie pics they want. You go tell your kids it's ok to risk putting her picture in their hands if you want. I'll teach my kid different morals.

Because you know.....13, 14 ,15 year olds always have the best judgment.

She was warned. She didn't listen. Now she has to be hassled for a few months. I bet somewhere in that school are a couple young girls giving second thoughts to putting their nude pictures out into the public though.
So this means you are the type of parent who would call the cops if you found pot in your kids room? So that they could "learn a lesson", right? That's the appropriate response to the situation, rather than, say, parenting?
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Ok, I have to remind myself sometimes the liberal crowd I am dealing with

I lean left but man you people are like over the Green Monster Liberal. No need running around in circles. I will accept the fact we have different philosophies.
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I lean left but man you people are like over the Green Monster Liberal. No need running around in circles. I will accept the fact we have different philosophies.

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Oh, and just to be clear:

It isn't as if this is the freaks' primary source of material. Is the chance that this girl's photos might end up on as a couple out of millions of images worth putting her through all this bullshit?
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I lean left but man you people are like over the Green Monster Liberal. No need running around in circles. I will accept the fact we have different philosophies.
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Enh, this issue aside, you may some comments about your own family I'd like to explore. You seem to think that there's something serious, something damaging, about there being nude pictures of someone on the internet, but you've only mentioned "some pervert jerking off" as a danger. Really, what else is there, and where's the harm in that action?
There has been a case made in other instances, and I tend to agree that such material is fuel for the sick minds. Beyond the whole decency aspect, I think such images in the hands of mentally ill people fighting real and serious desires is wrong.

If you do not think such websites that these images have the potential to get on, are a huge attraction for sexual predators I would totally disagree.

I have a few fetishes. If I'm on a porn site the first thing I do is look for something relating to these fetishes. I would presume the same hold true for people with a young teen fetish.

There are sex crimes against teens everyday by the hands of sick adults. I am of the belief that if we grow an attitude that teeny porn / nude sites are acceptable, we are throwing fuel on the fire. Plus society always moves downwards. Once that is acceptable, I fear what the next thing in line to be acceptable would be.

So yeah, if these girls are providing more material then I think they should take an effort to stop it.
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Enh...why argue your ideas when I can classify and dismiss you?
Mero get off your high horse. I have been debating with you three for 3 pages now. I didn't dismiss anything. I was making a point on why this is now pointless. We obviously have different opinions that are not changing and I am finding myself repeating the same things over and over.
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