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Old 11-24-2008, 02:09 AM   #26 (permalink)
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What I'm more concerned about is the mindset of the girl. Little kids showing off their pee-pees is one thing. But this?
We can thank Paris Hilton for that one.

Look, you have to understand that being a teenager is being a very confused and self-hating person in a rarefied moral (or, as the case may be, amoral) environment. Hundreds of studies have been done on this. Teenage girls (and boys) do not fully understand sexuality, they just know they want to have sex -- and they want to know that other people want to have sex with them. Just go to an average American high school on Halloween.

There is also an incredible social pressure on them. Teenagers in general do not understand the difference between appropriate and inappropriate -- only what is appropriate and inappropriate in their defined social setting (and in that, they are devout). This teenage girl sending naked pictures out of herself? Of course it's wrong, and it should be dealt with. However, I do not think that a boy sending pictures of his penis to female classmates would receive the same response. People are mostly afraid of this chick ending up on child pornography sites (with good reason).

There is a marked difference between sexual education for boys and girls. Boys often receive porn mags, a pat on the back, and a "go enjoy yourself." Girls get "Don't get knocked up", "Don't be a slut", "Don't give it away" ... don't, don't, don't. They also get "Don't be fat", "Don't wear too much makeup" ... in addition to all the shit women get in general (just read the latest issue of Cosmopolitan). At some point it became unsexy to actually feel good about yourself.

This is a symptom of society and this girl should receive counseling, not a criminal charge.
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Wendy Whitaker (r) had consensual oral sex with her boyfriend when she was 17 and he was three weeks shy of his 16th birthday. She was convicted of sodomy in 1997 as a result, had to register as a sex offender for life, and can’t live within 1000 feet of schools or churches.


The Southern Center for Human Rights in Atlanta has filed a suit on her behalf to overturn parts of Georgia’s sex offender registry law, and she has just filed another suit to stop the state from evicting her from her home. She won’t be able to afford both a mortgage and a rent on a new home, so she would have to face foreclosure if she is forced from her house.

Whitaker’s case is reminiscent of that of Genarlo Wilson (r), a Georgia man who got 10 years for consensual sex he also had as a teenager. Wilson was finally freed after serving 2 years, and Whitaker is citing the cruel and unusual punishment in that case which will hopefully help her own cause.


Funny, isn’t it, how we can have an administration that destroys our economic infrastructure and violates the Constitution and escapes punishment and accountability; yet, a woman who had oral sex with her boyfriend stand to lose everything because of a few moments of mutually consensual pleasure.
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Yeah. That's right. Punish somebody with charges because they are sexually active during the time where biology gives them a hormone enema, and unlike when we grew up, does so in a by now utterly networked, medial world, instead of teaching them, and showing them how to do it safely. Go education.

And people wonder why the world gets filled with so many people who have problems with their sexuality after getting the equivalent of a facepunch for it during their youth.

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One of the examples why not every registered sex offender is a sex offender, right there. Her life is feckin' ruined because of consentual sex. Which happened a decade ago. when she wasn't even a registered adult. Jesus.

Sometimes I wonder if Lady Justice is sitting in a corner, weeping, or if she's already doing the crackwhore biz in some rundown motel.
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OMG this is all stupid. I can't believe some of this. Go after this girl while some of the real criminals run loose!?
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STUART, Fla. -- A student at a Florida school has been arrested after authorities say he was "passing gas" and turned off his classmates' computers.


According to a report released Friday by the Martin County Sheriff's Office, the 13-year-old boy "continually disrupted his classroom environment" by intentionally breaking wind. He then shut off some computers other students were using.


The Spectrum Junior-Senior High School was arrested Nov. 4


A school resource officer placed the boy under arrest after he confessed about his behavior, according to the report. He was charged with disruption of school function and released to his mother.
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Felony charges for doing something thats been done since the internet started?

I don't see the point. Her parents should be punishing her, not wasting precious police force on such a small thing.

This isn't unusual and it isnt worth all this.
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Well hell. My very soon to be 16 year old is headed to pervert prison! I picked up his cell phone the other day and not only did he have several pictures of teenage tits sent from various all to happy to oblige mini-sluts, there was sex text to boot.
As a mom to a kid this age, I'm all too familiar with the hormonal stupidity. I don't necessarily condone it, but I don't condemn him to hell for it either.

Actually I enjoy just messing with his sexy little text life. When I come across anything recent, I like to text them back from his phone with something as simple as "My mom thinks you're a nastly little scuz and your titties look funny."
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I'd have an opinion, but there's not enough in the news article to have an opinion about. What's the "criminal tools" thing?
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Actually I enjoy just messing with his sexy little text life. When I come across anything recent, I like to text them back from his phone with something as simple as "My mom thinks you're a nastly little scuz and your titties look funny."
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Well hell. My very soon to be 16 year old is headed to pervert prison! I picked up his cell phone the other day and not only did he have several pictures of teenage tits sent from various all to happy to oblige mini-sluts, there was sex text to boot.
As a mom to a kid this age, I'm all too familiar with the hormonal stupidity. I don't necessarily condone it, but I don't condemn him to hell for it either.

Actually I enjoy just messing with his sexy little text life. When I come across anything recent, I like to text them back from his phone with something as simple as "My mom thinks you're a nastly little scuz and your titties look funny."
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Well hell. My very soon to be 16 year old is headed to pervert prison! I picked up his cell phone the other day and not only did he have several pictures of teenage tits sent from various all to happy to oblige mini-sluts, there was sex text to boot.
As a mom to a kid this age, I'm all too familiar with the hormonal stupidity. I don't necessarily condone it, but I don't condemn him to hell for it either.

Actually I enjoy just messing with his sexy little text life. When I come across anything recent, I like to text them back from his phone with something as simple as "My mom thinks you're a nastly little scuz and your titties look funny."
Oh man, I had a accidental text message like a month ago. Some boy must have text the wrong number. He was expressing his feeling to some young lady and gave a vivid description of how hot and bothered he was at the moment.

So I ran with it. I told him to come over (go to her house) but stop at the store to get some Captain Crunch and Milk for me first. I said I (the girl) was having a craving for Captain Crunch and there would be a reward in it for him.

He replied back first telling me he was walking to the store. Then another saying his mom said she would give him a ride over.
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I'd have an opinion, but there's not enough in the news article to have an opinion about. What's the "criminal tools" thing?
The camera - used in commission of a crime. Could probably run that twice, actually. Once for the picture and once for the transmission of the content.

For me, charges against the girl are retarded. She can plead the fifth, right? Would the prosecutor like to charge her with touching an underage minor too? I mean it's the same shit, right? She can't take pictures of herself, she can't touch herself either, right?
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Mero, if your daughters pictures ended up on a website with a bunch of old perverts jerking off to her, would you have an issue with that?

That is exactly what the authorities are dealing with and they have to some how put a stop to it. The truth is a lot of parents suck at doing their job so the authorities have to do the only thing they have the ability to do, their job.

This is not new, these kids never get a stiff punishment. It does send a message to them not to be idiots.
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It is one of those issues where you do have to look at the full picture however. It is still potential child porn getting out there for the sickos. The authorities also have their hands tied if you think about it. Sucks for them that so many parents didnt teach their children better judgement.
When did being seen naked become such a horrible thing? Even if it's permanent. Even if a man over 18 happens to see it and gets his jollies from it (which also should absolutely NOT be considered a criminal act). Unless the girl is actually molested or abused it's thought crime. I will never accept that thoughts can be criminal. That's reserved for actions that cause harm to another.

The only real harm from what she did is long term embarrassment, if she's even embarrassed, and frankly good for her if she's not. As far as I'm concerned it isn't this girl that's confused about sexuality. It's society that has a serious problem. This is a witch hunt, no different than those in Salem. Making a teenager feel ashamed for expressing her sexuality, even if it was in an ill-considered way, and branding her a criminal for it IS abuse and far, far more harmful to her long term well being. The segment of our society that's so horrified by the sexuality of youth is the real monster here in my opinion.

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Holy personal, batman!

My initial response is the typical "Hell yeah!" which is probably what you're after but, after further thought...

There already are pictures of my daughter on the web. A pervert could be "enjoying" them now. It gives my skin the heebie jeebies, but the pictures on the web are in no way sexual. I'm sure that doesn't stop a perv but, it is what it is.

So, hmm...I'm not sure where you want to take this "what if" game next but it's your move.
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When did being seen naked become such a horrible thing? Even if it's permanent. Even if a man over 18 happens to see it and gets his jollies from it (which also should absolutely NOT be considered a criminal act). Unless the girl is actually molested or abused it's thought crime. I will never accept that thoughts can be criminal. That's reserved for actions that cause harm to another.

The only real harm from what she did is long term embarrassment, if she's even embarrassed, and frankly good for her if she's not. As far as I'm concerned it isn't this girl that's confused about sexuality. It's society that has a serious problem. This is a witch hunt, no different than those in Salem. Making a teenager feel ashamed for expressing her sexuality, even if it was in an ill-considered way, and branding her a criminal for it IS abuse and far, far more harmful to her long term well being. The segment of our society that's so horrified by the sexuality of youth is the real monster here in my opinion.
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When did being seen naked become such a horrible thing? Even if it's permanent. Even if a man over 18 happens to see it and gets his jollies from it (which also should absolutely NOT be considered a criminal act). Unless the girl is actually molested or abused it's thought crime. I will never accept that thoughts can be criminal. That's reserved for actions that cause harm to another.

The only real harm from what she did is long term embarrassment, if she's even embarrassed, and frankly good for her if she's not. As far as I'm concerned it isn't this girl that's confused about sexuality. It's society that has a serious problem. This is a witch hunt, no different than those in Salem. Making a teenager feel ashamed for expressing her sexuality, even if it was in an ill-considered way, and branding her a criminal for it IS abuse and far, far more harmful to her long term well being. The segment of our society that's so horrified by the sexuality of youth is the real monster here in my opinion.

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Chip you think grown adults jerking off to a 14-15 year old is "ok".

Wow, I guess we just have different standards.

Edit to Ad - Chip upon reading I realized the sound of my post had a "I am more moral than you" sound to it. I didn't mean to sound that way. I should explain it this way.

As a father of three girls, one just now entering the teen year. The thought of an older guy whacking off on the internet to my daughters picture stirs some emotion. I'd want to kick him in the nuts and make it hurt every time he ejaculated.

I want to say again. I do not think this deserves stiff punishment but I do think a message need to be sent to kids to make better decisions. I am not saying anyone should be embarrassed of their body, but to have young girls pictures on the internet is not a good thing. There is a reason we try to limit the material these perverts have to look at.

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The camera - used in commission of a crime. Could probably run that twice, actually. Once for the picture and once for the transmission of the content.
Maybe... but we don't really know, because that wasn't a news article it was a minimal sketch.

Criminal Tools could have been anything ranging from a cell phone she used to capture & send the shot right up to a film studio.

Would it change people's perceptions if the article had said she was doing post-production finishing work and then selling them?

There's no meat in this "news"
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Have to be certain they don't defile the statues of the Virgin Mother.
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Chip you think grown adults jerking off to a 14-15 year old is "ok".
Any man who claims to have never seen a 14-15 year old and thought "um, damn!" is a bloody liar. We can argue about the appropriateness of it, but what harm is caused to anyone? This is based on the irrational fear that any man over 18 who is sexually arroused by someone under 18 is automatically going to turn into a child molester. It's absurd.
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Holy personal, batman!

My initial response is the typical "Hell yeah!" which is probably what you're after but, after further thought...

There already are pictures of my daughter on the web. A pervert could be "enjoying" them now. It gives my skin the heebie jeebies, but the pictures on the web are in no way sexual. I'm sure that doesn't stop a perv but, it is what it is.

So, hmm...I'm not sure where you want to take this "what if" game next but it's your move.
Well thats what is happening to these parents Mero. That same reaction you had is the same reaction they have when they find out their little girls naked pictures are on some kiddie porn site.
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Any man who claims to have never seen a 14-15 year old and thought "um, damn!" is a bloody liar. We can argue about the appropriateness of it, but what harm is caused to anyone? This is based on the irrational fear that any man over 18 who is sexually arroused by someone under 18 is automatically going to turn into a child molester. It's absurd.
Chip we are not talking about you. The reason it is illegal is because there are sick people in the world.

Once again I am just shocked by the moral code of today. I never in my life thought I would have to debate on this forum why kiddie porn is not a good thing.
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