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Cindy Claveau · 10-23-2008, 09:40 AM

Jonathan Freedland: Palin won't go away | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

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Sarah Palin has provided some of the best sub-plots to the extraordinary soap opera that has been Campaign 2008 – including the latest flap about the cost of her costume and, coming soon, the release of her medical records – but there is none more intriguing than the question that could be left hanging when the saga officially concludes on November 5: what happens to Palin next?

Of course, if John McCain wins she'll become the vice-president of the United States – where she would doubtless continue getting feverish media attention from now till 2012. But what if he, and therefore she, loses?

On this, there are two camps. The first says Palin will slink back to Alaska and obscurity, her reputation trashed for ever by the clear evidence that she served to drag down the Republican ticket. Palin's most vicious critics go further, predicting that, once back in her home state, she will face a bitter homecoming – perhaps even impeachment proceedings following the verdict of abuse of power delivered by the independent investigation into the Troopergate affair (a verdict that was unambiguous despite Palin's Orwellian insistence that she was "cleared" by the investigation).

The other camp, however, sees a much brighter future for Governor Palin – one focused on the Republican presidential nomination of 2012. In this view, Palin will emerge from 2008 as the frontrunner to be the party's candidate next time around.

This seems much more likely to me than a quiet exit from the public stage. After all, the jockeying for 2012 is already under way: indeed, in a signal of collective resignation to defeat on November 4, much of the conservative blogosphere is currently consumed with discussion of the 2012 race and Palin's probable place in it. In a very revealing remark to Rush Limbaugh the other day, Palin herself stoked such talk when she told him she had "nothing to lose" by going hard after Barack Obama – audibly calculating her own interests, separate from those of the McCain-Palin ticket.

Here are just some of the reasons why she would begin out in front. First, whatever the rest of America thinks of her, she has clearly excited the Republican base – and they are the people who vote in Republican primaries.

Second, she has powerful backers among one faction at least of the conservative intelligensia, namely the men who marked her out as McCain's VP in the first place. They don't mind her obviously limited curiosity or qualifications: they see a willing vehicle for their own ambitions, a woman who has the single quality that no politician can learn or acquire – star power. Besides, she can use the next four years to mug up on, you know, facts and things.

Third, there will be a wave of anger in a post-defeat Republican party and much of it will be directed at the "Washington establishment" types who sided with Barack Obama (from Colin Powell downwards) or at least criticised McCain (such as former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan). Palin will be a perfect receptacle for this anger, because she is the reason so many elite conservatives have broken with McCain.

I'm of two minds on this. One, I want to SHUDDER and groan at the thought that Palin is the best the GOP can do for 2012 - if that happens, they obviously haven't learned a THING from this campaign, and can look forward to many many more defections to the Democratic party and many more election losses until someone gets a farkin' brain and realizes how much they've abandoned the center of the electorate.

Two, that could be a good thing if you don't mind the two-party system being eviscerated like this. Which is actually a bad thing.

Three. I don't ever want to see this woman's face in election news again as long as I live. Not even if she wins re-election to governorship of Alaska. I want her to be a footnote in history and go back to her designer dogsleds.

Sadly, I'm not sure that's going to happen. Brace yourselves, folks. This may not be the last we've seen of the Eskimo 'ho.

Richie Waves · 10-23-2008, 09:43 AM

I bet she ends up on the View.

Cindy Claveau · 10-23-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Richie Waves

I bet she ends up on the View.

Actually I could live with that. For one, I never watch it so I wouldn't have to look at her.

Two, Whoopi would claw her face off inside of 2 weeks.

Chip Midnight · 10-23-2008, 11:47 AM

Lucifer Baphomet · 10-23-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chip Midnight

Chip's websurfing habits exposed

Cindy Claveau · 10-23-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucifer Baphomet

Chip's websurfing habits exposed

BUSTED!

Chip Midnight · 10-23-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

BUSTED!

Sorry, dropped my pen

**Bard Jameson** · 10-23-2008, 12:41 PM

Relax...there will BE NO ELECTION in 2012...remember?

Kristian · 10-23-2008, 01:09 PM

I was only 10, but IIRC correctly, there was a lot of talk about Geraldine Ferraro having a bright future ahead of her after her exposure to being the first female VP nominee...

Lucifer Baphomet · 10-23-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kristian

I was only 10, but IIRC correctly, there was a lot of talk about Geraldine Ferraro having a bright future ahead of her after her exposure to being the first female VP nominee...

Well........... she was the US ambassador to the UN Commission on Human Rights under Clinton.

FlipperPA Peregrine · 10-23-2008, 03:29 PM

Hopefully this:

Let's not forget about that whole abuse-of-power-and-breaking-the-law thingie.

Vengence Opus · 10-23-2008, 03:36 PM

She'll be building bridges to nowhere.

**Eboni Khan** · 10-23-2008, 03:37 PM

I bet they spin everything bad about her to sexism, and she still is a rising star in the Republican party. She is only 44, she has a long time to still be cute, gain more experience, and go somewhere. Even if she doesn't she still has 68% approval rating, that is down from the 80% but will likely go back up once this campaign is over.

Someone has to run against Obama in 2012, all the people that ran this time around as Gop Candidates will be old as dirt or dead in 2012.

Cindy Claveau · 10-23-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Eboni Khan

I bet they spin everything bad about her to sexism, and she still is a rising star in the Republican party. She is only 44, she has a long time to still be cute, gain more experience, and go somewhere. Even if she doesn't she still has 68% approval rating, that is down from the 80% but will likely go back up once this campaign is over.

Where do you get that 68%? Everything I've seen lately says her approval ratings are in the tank across the board - one source said they were the "worst approval ratings of any VP candidate in history".

Poll: Age, Judgment, and Palin Power Obama to a 14 Point Lead | Politicususa

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Sarah Palin continues to be a weight around John McCain’s neck. Her approval rating is now into negative territory as 44% of voters approve of her, and 49% disapprove. Reaction against her is strongest with women under 50, who give her a 60% disapproval rating. In blunt terms, the demographic that Palin was added to the ticket to attract, has rejected her. Palin’s disapproval rating jumped 13% in a month. This is largely due to her poor media appearances, and less than convincing debate performance.

Jessica Robertson · 10-23-2008, 04:09 PM

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Where do you get that 68%? Everything I've seen lately says her approval ratings are in the tank across the board - one source said they were the "worst approval ratings of any VP candidate in history".

Her approval rating as Governor in Alaska was at 80%. I have not seen the current statistics, but 68% seems reasonable.

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As of 1 OCT 2008.

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McClatchy reports today that her approval rating in her home state has tumbled to 68%

Source: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1003856855

It is her approval rating, in her home state, as Governor.

Cindy Claveau · 10-23-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica Robertson

Her approval rating as Governor in Alaska was at 80%. I have not seen the current statistics, but 68% seems reasonable.

I just posted them. They're horrible. And right now as the two campaigns focus on the last 3 big swing states (Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida), she's hurting her ticket:

Poll: Obama Surging, McCain Fading in Pennsylvania and Ohio | Politicususa

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Sarah Palin continues to be the least popular candidate in this race. Her approval rating in Florida is 41%, in Ohio its 37%, and in Pennsylvania it is 38%. Among women Palin’s approval rating is 39% in Florida, 32% in Ohio, and 34% in Pennsylvania. It is possible that the McCain campaign’s strategy of sending the unpopular Palin to campaign in Ohio and Pennsylvania is hurting their poll numbers in each state. There is little good news for McCain/Palin in these numbers

Jessica Robertson · 10-23-2008, 04:13 PM

You disagreed with me?!?!

/me claws out.

I haz a source!!!!

*laughs*

You are talking about her national approval as a vice presidental candidate, which I do not disbute at all.

You asked where Eboni got the 68% approval from.
That 68% is from her Home State of Alaska, as Governor, on Oct 1st.
I was just letting you know where she got it

detrius · 10-23-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

Where do you get that 68%? Everything I've seen lately says her approval ratings are in the tank across the board - one source said they were the "worst approval ratings of any VP candidate in history".

Poll: Age, Judgment, and Palin Power Obama to a 14 Point Lead | Politicususa

All this talk about her being the up-and-coming star of the GOP is rather retarded because it's totally ignorant of the fact that if the Republicans lose this election, she will carry the brunt of the blame and will be branded as the "hockey mom that made McCain lose the 2008 election".

Jessica Robertson · 10-23-2008, 04:19 PM

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1 User Disagreed: Cindy Claveau

I feel like I got a bad grade on an assignment :sad:

Cindy Claveau · 10-23-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica Robertson

You asked where Eboni got the 68% approval from.
That 68% is from her Home State of Alaska, as Governor, on Oct 1st.
I was just letting you know where she got it

Well OK THEN

Once again, Eboni's off target and off topic. We weren't talking about Palin's Alaskan approval rating.

Here's some more:

AFP: Sarah Palin dragging down Republican ticket: polls

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The Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll found that Americans are less and less convinced she is worthy to serve as the country's number-two leader.

"Her numbers have plummeted in our poll ... what's more 55 percent think she's unqualified to serve as president if the need arises, which is a troublesome number given McCain's age," said NBC political director Chuck Todd.

The poll also puts the 72-year-old McCain 10 points behind his Democratic rival Barack Obama, and says that 47 percent of those surveyed viewed Palin negatively.

It confirmed the findings of an ABC/Washington Post poll released earlier this month which found that six in 10 voters saw Palin, 44, as lacking the experience to be an effective president.

"A third are now less likely to vote for McCain because of her," the Post added.

Cindy Claveau · 10-23-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica Robertson

I feel like I got a bad grade on an assignment :sad:

Ok, I removed it. But they took away my "Hug" button dammit

Jessica Robertson · 10-23-2008, 04:21 PM

Oh, I agree with that entirely.

Bringing in statistics about her governorship restricted to her home state when discussing her approval rating as the vice presidential candidate is... sort of irrelevent.

**Eboni Khan** · 10-23-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy Claveau

Where do you get that 68%? Everything I've seen lately says her approval ratings are in the tank across the board - one source said they were the "worst approval ratings of any VP candidate in history".

Poll: Age, Judgment, and Palin Power Obama to a 14 Point Lead | Politicususa

I was referring to her approval rating as Gov in her home state.

Back in Alaska, Sarah Palin's poll ratings tumble a bit | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

McClatchy: Palin's Approval Ratings Tumble -- In Alaska

Palin approval rating in Alaska no longer 80% it is 68%--Proof Positive that the Media inflicts violence upon women candidates | femisex.com

Palin pick shakes up Alaska politics

Cindy Claveau · 10-23-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Eboni Khan

I was referring to her approval rating as Gov in her home state.

Remember what I said about staying on topic, Eboni? Her Governor ratings in Alaska have fuckall to do with her ratings as the VP candidate. I don't care about Alaska - nobody outside of Alaska cares. This is about the National Presidential Election, not next year's Iditarod.

**Eboni Khan** · 10-23-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica Robertson

Oh, I agree with that entirely.

Bringing in statistics about her governorship restricted to her home state when discussing her approval rating as the vice presidential candidate is... sort of irrelevent.

It isn't when people are claiming she will be impeached as Gov if she loses the election, or that she will just go away.

Jonathan Freedland: Palin won't go away | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

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On this, there are two camps. The first says Palin will slink back to Alaska and obscurity, her reputation trashed for ever by the clear evidence that she served to drag down the Republican ticket. Palin's most vicious critics go further, predicting that, once back in her home state, she will face a bitter homecoming – perhaps even impeachment proceedings following the verdict of abuse of power delivered by the independent investigation into the Troopergate affair (a verdict that was unambiguous despite Palin's Orwellian insistence that she was "cleared" by the investigation).

It was relevant.

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Eboni Khan Senior Member SLU Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,560 My Mood: SLShopper Ads: 1 SL Join Date: 03/17/2004	I bet they spin everything bad about her to sexism, and she still is a rising star in the Republican party. She is only 44, she has a long time to still be cute, gain more experience, and go somewhere. Even if she doesn't she still has 68% approval rating, that is down from the 80% but will likely go back up once this campaign is over. Someone has to run against Obama in 2012, all the people that ran this time around as Gop Candidates will be old as dirt or dead in 2012. __________________

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Kristian stored in the cloud SLU Supporter PHIL LINDEN SKULLFCKED ME RIGHT HERE* Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,855 My Mood: SL Join Date: 2/26/2005	I was only 10, but IIRC correctly, there was a lot of talk about Geraldine Ferraro having a bright future ahead of her after her exposure to being the first female VP nominee...

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Jessica Robertson Senior Member On Fire! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,992 My Mood: SL Join Date: Dec 2004	You disagreed with me?!?! /me claws out. I haz a source!!!! laughs You are talking about her national approval as a vice presidental candidate, which I do not disbute at all. You asked where Eboni got the 68% approval from. That 68% is from her Home State of Alaska, as Governor, on Oct 1st. I was just letting you know where she got it

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Jessica Robertson Senior Member On Fire! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,992 My Mood: SL Join Date: Dec 2004	Oh, I agree with that entirely. Bringing in statistics about her governorship restricted to her home state when discussing her approval rating as the vice presidential candidate is... sort of irrelevent.

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